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2016-05-03 19:07 GMT+03:00 'Wuzzy' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:

> Am Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:30:43 +0300
> schrieb Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
> > "Lojban for Beginners" has this solution:
> > =E2=80=A2 If there is only one number, it is the day e.g.  li pano is =
=E2=80=98the
> > 10th=E2=80=99. =E2=80=A2 If there are two numbers, they are the day and=
 month e.g.
> > li pano pi=E2=80=99e pare is 10/12, or =E2=80=98the 10th of
> > December=E2=80=99.
> > =E2=80=A2 If there are three numbers, they are day, month, year (not mo=
nth,
> > day, year, as in the American
> > convention) e.g.  li repa pi=E2=80=99e ze pi=E2=80=99e pasoxaso is 21/7=
/69=E2=80=94the date
> > of the first moon landing
>
> Why isn't this (or something similar) in the official
> definition (or in the notes)? :-(
>

Because the official "definitions" was more like a draft. There appeared
noone like Cowan to publish a dictionary.


>
> I now had 3 different answers, each of them (more or less)
> contradicting each other. :-(((
>

Well, Lojban for Beginners and "lerfu detri" don't contradict each other.
Otherwise, yes.

There is also one more solution: not to use {detri} at all. You may use
{jednpa} etc., {de'i'u}...


> For insance, you say, the order is year, month, day, another one say its
> day, month, year because of ISO. Official definition also uses the day,
> month, year ordering.
>
> It's nice you all try to explain how detri is used =E2=80=9Cin actual usa=
ge=E2=80=9D,
> but it seems that =E2=80=9Cactual usage=E2=80=9D varies to a great extent=
, so it is not
> really useful. :-/
>
> IMO we need a clear and well-defined OFFICIAL definition for detri, not
> several contradicting ad-hoc definitions.
>
> According to your answers so far, I can't even safely make sense out of
> something like =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e re pi'e ci detri=E2=80=9D, because you=
 don't seem
> to even agree on the ordering. :-(
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2016-05-03 19:07 GMT+03:00 &#39;Wuzzy&#39; via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@go=
oglegroups.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Fri, =
29 Apr 2016 09:30:43 +0300<br>
schrieb Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gl=
eki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt; &quot;Lojban for Beginners&quot; has this solution:<b=
r>
&gt; =E2=80=A2 If there is only one number, it is the day e.g.=C2=A0 li pan=
o is =E2=80=98the<br>
&gt; 10th=E2=80=99. =E2=80=A2 If there are two numbers, they are the day an=
d month e.g.<br>
&gt; li pano pi=E2=80=99e pare is 10/12, or =E2=80=98the 10th of<br>
&gt; December=E2=80=99.<br>
&gt; =E2=80=A2 If there are three numbers, they are day, month, year (not m=
onth,<br>
&gt; day, year, as in the American<br>
&gt; convention) e.g.=C2=A0 li repa pi=E2=80=99e ze pi=E2=80=99e pasoxaso i=
s 21/7/69=E2=80=94the date<br>
&gt; of the first moon landing<br>
<br>
</span>Why isn&#39;t this (or something similar) in the official<br>
definition (or in the notes)? :-(<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Becau=
se the official &quot;definitions&quot; was more like a draft. There appear=
ed noone like Cowan to publish a dictionary.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I now had 3 different answers, each of them (more or less)<br>
contradicting each other. :-(((<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, L=
ojban for Beginners and &quot;lerfu detri&quot; don&#39;t contradict each o=
ther. Otherwise, yes.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also one more solut=
ion: not to use {detri} at all. You may use {jednpa} etc., {de&#39;i&#39;u}=
...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
For insance, you say, the order is year, month, day, another one say its<br=
>
day, month, year because of ISO. Official definition also uses the day,<br>
month, year ordering.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s nice you all try to explain how detri is used =E2=80=9Cin actual u=
sage=E2=80=9D,<br>
but it seems that =E2=80=9Cactual usage=E2=80=9D varies to a great extent, =
so it is not<br>
really useful. :-/<br>
<br>
IMO we need a clear and well-defined OFFICIAL definition for detri, not<br>
several contradicting ad-hoc definitions.<br>
<br>
According to your answers so far, I can&#39;t even safely make sense out of=
<br>
something like =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e re pi&#39;e ci detri=E2=80=9D, becau=
se you don&#39;t seem<br>
to even agree on the ordering. :-(<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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