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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ai9si337323lbc.2.2016.05.05.03.29.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 May 2016 03:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::229; Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id u64so90931033lff.3 for ; Thu, 05 May 2016 03:29:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.37.135 with SMTP id l129mr6829788lfl.56.1462444154474; Thu, 05 May 2016 03:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.9.195 with HTTP; Thu, 5 May 2016 03:29:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:29:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A new introduction to Lojban From: Bruno Panasiewicz To: mriste Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11472aee54d84f053215d0ef X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ciuak.prog@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11472aee54d84f053215d0ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable je'e do'u do jai drani mi'e la uakcla mu'o fe'o sai On 5 May 2016 at 12:23, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2016-05-05 13:14 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz : > >> coi do do no'e jimpe ga'a le'o toi'e .u'u ru'e ro'a ro'i mi so'u da pe l= e >> pu se cusku be mi ge'u poi du'u so'i lo panra be =C2=ABlu jai gau co'e f= ai li'u=C2=BB >> cu zasti mu'u zo =E2=80=B9ga'orgau=E2=80=BA no'u nai lo se cusku be ba'e= do ge'u je zo >> =E2=80=B9kalga'o=E2=80=BA ji'a ne te pi'o tu'a =C2=ABlu kalga'o la stika= li'u=C2=BB noi mi djica lo >> nu do pajni tu'a ke'a >> > > i sa'u mi na se pluka lo nu finti lo cnino valsi i lo nu tadni lo so'i > valsi cu fadni nabmi lo'e nintadni be lo bangu > > >> (to xu do zgana lo du'u mi malpli zo ce'u pe le pu se mrilu vau .u'u toi= ) >> lu'u pe fai lo ka ce'u pluja xu kau xi pa =E2=80=94sei lo ka=C2=B7zei=C2= =B7.astrato pe la'e >> zo no'a cu se sko'opu=E2=80=94 ku'o ku'o ja poi du'u du'o mi ro da poi c= ilre zo'u >> da djuno lo du'u lo lojbo sance cu mo kau >> > > > i mi pu zgana lo nu lo nintadni cu jinvi lo du'u me'o cy sinxa zoi > zoi.[k].zoi. vau e lo simsa i ji'a lo glico nintadni cu ta'e se nabmi lo > karsna i seki'u bo mi jinvi lo du'u ckape fa lo nu pilno lo valsi poi ke'= a > na jorne lo mu'oi gy.transcription.gy. pe ke'a > > i ku'i sei cumki lo se bangu be lo frica be lo glibau na se nabmi lo sims= a > > > kei ja nai cu bacru lo na'e se gligau na'e se ra'a lo nu za'o glico fa >> zo'oi =E2=80=B9Stika=E2=80=BA iau mu'o mi'e la uarnaicla >> 5 maj 2016 11:46 "Gleki Arxokuna" >> napisa=C5=82(a): >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-05-05 12:25 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz : >>> >>>> coi do'u u'e le cukta cu melbi je cu ie plixau vau ca lo nu cfila cy f= a >>>> ga je lo ka =C2=ABlu jai gau ganlo fai li'u=C2=BB pe se pa'u ce'u cu d= ukse pluja >>>> >>> >>> i da'i do stidi ma i zo ga'irgau xu >>> >>> gi lo ka zo'e pe ce'u glico tercme la stika lo noi jai cizra sai vau du >>>> be zo'oi =E2=80=B9Steekah=E2=80=BA noi ru'a jai se stidi mi do fai lo = ka na tai gliselgau >>>> je va'i gau du zo'oi =E2=80=B9Stika=E2=80=BA >>>> >>> i zoi gy.Stika.gy. zo'u lo glipre ka'e bacru lo simsa be zoi >>> gy.Stie-kah.gy. noi du zoi zoi.[staika].zoi. >>> >>> >>> >>>> ku'o je noi jai nandu fai lo ka lo glipre cu jai gau bacrypanra ce'u >>>> fai so'i da kau kei xau nai je fe ri noi la'a lo klesi be ce'u bei lo = ka >>>> cilre fi le jbobau noi ta'o na pa mei cu ji'i ro mei lo'i tcidu be le = me'au >>>> la'e dei noi .a'o sai na se cfipu lo be fi'o xusra mi ca se cfila mu'o= mi'e >>>> la uakmau be do >>>> >>>> 5 maj 2016 10:59 "Gleki Arxokuna" >>>> napisa=C5=82(a): >>>> > >>>> > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Learning_with_context >>>> > >>>> > This is a picture book not for children. >>>> > >>>> > It's for those who speak English and want to learn Lojban. >>>> > >>>> > The book is not "yet another picture book in Lojban, which nobody >>>> will read". >>>> > >>>> > It contains glossing of Lojban sentences inside. >>>> > >>>> > The idea is that we tune up Lojban and English style so that those >>>> two languages resemble each other more. This helps accumulate Lojban >>>> faster. Other feature not present in English can be learnt later by ot= her >>>> means. >>>> > >>>> > You may use this idea if you speak languages other than English: >>>> > 1. You need basic knowledge of Lojban >>>> > 2. You need to select styles of your language and of Lojban so that >>>> they match each other as close as possible. >>>> > 3. If you have problems with making an actual picture book you may >>>> send your adaptation to me, I'll compile everything for you. >>>> > >>>> > The license of the book is rather open so the output is for humanity= . >>>> > >>>> > P.S. Also if you have suggestions on how to improve this book or wha= t >>>> else to do for Lojban please report. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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je'e do'u do jai drani mi'e= la uakcla mu'o fe'o sai
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On 5 May 2016 at 12:23, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-05-05 13:14 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasie= wicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>:

coi do do no'e jimpe ga'a le'o toi'e= .u'u ru'e ro'a ro'i mi so'u da pe le pu se cusku be mi= ge'u poi du'u so'i lo panra be =C2=ABlu jai gau co'e fai l= i'u=C2=BB cu zasti mu'u zo =E2=80=B9ga'orgau=E2=80=BA no'u = nai lo se cusku be ba'e do ge'u je zo =E2=80=B9kalga'o=E2=80=BA= ji'a ne te pi'o tu'a =C2=ABlu kalga'o la stika li'u=C2= =BB noi mi djica lo nu do pajni tu'a ke'a


=
i sa'u mi na se pluka lo nu finti lo cnino valsi i lo= nu tadni lo so'i valsi cu fadni nabmi lo'e nintadni be lo bangu
=C2=A0

(to xu do zgana lo du'u mi malpli zo ce'u pe le pu se mri= lu vau .u'u toi) lu'u pe fai lo ka ce'u pluja xu kau xi pa =E2= =80=94sei lo ka=C2=B7zei=C2=B7.astrato pe la'e zo no'a cu se sko= 9;opu=E2=80=94 ku'o ku'o ja poi du'u du'o mi ro da poi cilr= e zo'u da djuno lo du'u lo lojbo sance cu mo kau



i mi pu zgana lo nu lo nintadni cu = jinvi lo du'u me'o cy sinxa zoi zoi.[k].zoi. vau e lo simsa i ji= 9;a lo glico nintadni cu ta'e se nabmi lo karsna i seki'u bo mi jin= vi lo du'u ckape fa lo nu pilno lo valsi poi ke'a na jorne lo mu= 9;oi gy.transcript= ion.gy. pe ke'a

i ku'i sei cumki lo se= bangu be lo frica be lo glibau na se nabmi lo simsa


kei ja nai cu bacru lo na'e se gligau na'e se ra'a lo= nu za'o glico fa zo'oi =E2=80=B9Stika=E2=80=BA iau mu'o mi'= ;e la uarnaicla

5 maj 2016 11:46 "Gleki Arxokuna" <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> napisa=C5=82(a):


2016-05-05 12:25 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz <= ciuak.prog@gmail.com>:

coi do'u u'e le cukta cu melbi je cu ie plixau vau ca lo= nu cfila cy fa ga je lo ka =C2=ABlu jai gau ganlo fai li'u=C2=BB pe se= pa'u ce'u cu dukse pluja


i da&= #39;i do stidi ma i zo ga'irgau xu

gi lo ka zo'e pe ce'u glico tercme l= a stika lo noi jai cizra sai vau du be zo'oi =E2=80=B9Steekah=E2=80=BA = noi ru'a jai se stidi mi do fai lo ka na tai gliselgau je va'i gau = du zo'oi =E2=80=B9Stika=E2=80=BA

i zoi gy.Stika.gy. zo'u lo glipre k= a'e bacru lo simsa be zoi gy.Stie-kah.gy. noi du zoi zoi.[staika].zoi.

=C2=A0

ku'= ;o je noi jai nandu fai lo ka lo glipre cu jai gau bacrypanra ce'u fai = so'i da kau kei xau nai je fe ri noi la'a lo klesi be ce'u bei = lo ka cilre fi le jbobau noi ta'o na pa mei cu ji'i ro mei lo'i= tcidu be le me'au la'e dei noi .a'o sai na se cfipu lo be fi&#= 39;o xusra mi ca se cfila mu'o mi'e la uakmau be do

5 maj 2016 10:59 "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> napisa=C5=82(a):
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Learning_with_context
>
> This is a picture book not for children.
>
> It's for those who speak English and want to learn Lojban.
>
> The book is not "yet another picture book in Lojban, which nobody= will read".
>
> It contains glossing of Lojban sentences inside.
>
> The idea is that we tune up Lojban and English style so that those two= languages resemble each other more. This helps accumulate Lojban faster. O= ther feature not present in English can be learnt later by other means.
>
> You may use this idea if you speak languages other than English:
> 1. You need basic knowledge of Lojban
> 2. You need to select styles of your language and of Lojban so that th= ey match each other as close as possible.
> 3. If you have problems with making an actual picture book you may sen= d your adaptation to me, I'll compile everything for you.
>
> The license of the book is rather open so the output is for humanity.<= br> >
> P.S. Also if you have suggestions on how to improve this book or what = else to do for Lojban please report.

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