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[2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ai9si1160195lbc.2.2016.05.15.23.24.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 May 2016 23:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::232; Received: by mail-lb0-x232.google.com with SMTP id jj5so46701067lbc.0 for ; Sun, 15 May 2016 23:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.132.104 with SMTP id ot8mr10928661lbb.34.1463379848665; Sun, 15 May 2016 23:24:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.165.75 with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2016 23:23:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5738F503.9080501@openmailbox.org> References: <5738F503.9080501@openmailbox.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 09:23:29 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zo remna To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a7ffe0d21260532efac7b X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b3a7ffe0d21260532efac7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-16 1:15 GMT+03:00 Jacob Stewart : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >x_1 is a human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense); > (adjective:) x_1 is human. > Why was no breed x2 place added like all other animal selbri? > I can only suppose that this gismu encoding the notion of "humans don't have any finer distinctions, no subspecies, no races, nothing". Given that their diversity is indeed low compared to e.g. apes it makes sense. If you want to express the notion of humans as having finer distinctions like "race", "political view", "shoe size" then I suppose you need to propose a new brivla. > - -- > Languages I know at least something of: > mi ca cilre la lojban .i ri ca remoi lo'i bangu lo ni mi djuno fi ce'u > (I'm learning Lojban. It's my second most known language.) > I know English fluently (native language). > I learnt GCSE level Spanish and pre-GCSE level French once and forgot a > lot. > I know a tiny bit of Japanese. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXOPUDAAoJENBNTnFXALRyHuAP+wa2hiFd3d5I6agKwkLlZF/A > ijcEUhS9kKyyKVavHltgA9PugpBcvrcWlv5wy/3WUYDXuJ+mzGfg/ThRlZjj+r22 > CScfKQEC7AqKotiPsBnHJLF8SXYIomAE7PKc2yTUyr+yZOCLYH7F4FEHpoMvhsAI > C0WUgg5cTOOaMCotsT6zcvmOf8KWHwhQYWBkFeVcv4o2XRfvOuIGtIRVzNZ+nFZt > Jx9Pxg6aZdUVkiPUl6lS9wvsNfeg2x7oTlErhpvRU4WJxsxQEEBF2YBNNSMcOp8r > srv/h6cLwJNuT9Zt+lSjBxGW33p7sVoP2f+5QOCkcaabvGX4m+7NEDJqImiXIGMH > WnpdEuA+nlq2WIR98FUiqcGcLvVWttfU5yBkISbwiep8kRSyGuYuvfGJt+PnevC2 > Dcex89t8+ePlYt4swEVfch0I2/ea/nm35UR11xRLOpqejU0E2Zq/ZcrxgCxAa8A5 > jdSpHgolh0JUhCxXyV18MQk4VEi3R+9OfPt5fH5zdGUYjz6vb6LQ+xRE1HXkbzGv > kChfM4bTwfBQraj9nZQJRzKqb/4tjFHlEfcb0265eF51OfYIHQtaSMFXiymqM6QS > gdlzIO05tNfzegmzzZI6VY5UhZ0yaGEhYrHl+qgESAlxU7IQzde3ZosUidl2Qzb/ > 4l9aDxf15PcCTm1lUhPK > =qV+p > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2016-05-16 1:15 GMT+03:00 Jacob Stewart <jstewart@openmailbox= .org>:
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>x_1 is a human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense); (adjective:) x_1 is human. Why was no breed x2 place added like all other animal selbri?
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I can only suppose that this gismu encodin= g the notion of "humans don't have any finer distinctions, no subs= pecies, no races, nothing". Given that their diversity is indeed low c= ompared to e.g. apes it makes sense.

If you want t= o express the notion of humans as having finer distinctions like "race= ", "political view", "shoe size" then I suppose yo= u need to propose a new brivla.


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Languages I know at least something of:
mi ca cilre la lojban .i ri ca remoi lo'i bangu lo ni mi djuno fi ce'u
(I'm learning Lojban. It's my second most known language.)
I know English fluently (native language).
I learnt GCSE level Spanish and pre-GCSE level French once and forgot a lot.
I know a tiny bit of Japanese.

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