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Subject: [lojban] Nomenclature of the periodic table
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Something that has bugged me the last few days is the current nomenclature 
of the chemical elements.
I am relatively new to lojban but what I have learned quite early is that 
lojban tries to name every object/idea/concept systematically.
So for an example the lojban names for days in a week are named after there 
position in the week.
Monday (or "is a monday") for example is *pavdei *(a construct of the rafsi 
of pa and djedi), literally "one-day".

On the other hand the current nomenclature of chemical elements 
(https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/dikni_selratni_cartu) is based on their 
trivia names in latin/english or whatsoever.

Why is this? It's like calling monday *mondei * in lojba.

I propose the chemical elements are called by the number of protons in 
their nuclei, which defines the chemical element 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element). 
<(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element)>

An possible implementation would be to combine the rafsi of the numbers 
with the rafsi of 

*ratni. <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ratni>*An example:
 
*pavrat*

*x1 is an atom of atomic number 1 of isotope number/atomic weight x2; x1 is 
hydrogen of isotope number/atomic weight x2*

 
and/or


*x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of hydrogen*
The latter definition could of course also be made with *gunma* 
<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/gunma> or something similar.

Any thoughts on that?

(Another proposal which might be discussed is if protons, neutrons and such 
should be called something equivalent to "up-up-down" [proton]
instead of *protoni * <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/protoni>or *nurtoni 
* <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/nurtoni>respectively. Then it would be 
necessary to define unambigious valsi for quantum states )

I am neither a physician nor an experienced lojbanist but this simply 
bugged me several days, so what do you think of it?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Something that has bugged me the last few days is the curr=
ent nomenclature of the chemical elements.<br>I am relatively new to lojban=
 but what I have learned quite early is that lojban tries to name every obj=
ect/idea/concept systematically.<br>So for an example the lojban names for =
days in a week are named after there position in the week.<br>Monday (or &q=
uot;is a monday&quot;) for example is <b>pavdei </b>(a construct of the raf=
si of pa and djedi), literally &quot;one-day&quot;.<br><br>On the other han=
d the current nomenclature of chemical elements<a href=3D"(https://jbo.wiki=
pedia.org/wiki/dikni_selratni_cartu)"> (https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/dikn=
i_selratni_cartu)</a> is based on their trivia names in latin/english or wh=
atsoever.<br><br>Why is this? It&#39;s like calling monday <b>mondei </b> i=
n lojba.<br><br>I propose the chemical elements are called by the number of=
 protons in their nuclei, which defines the chemical element <a href=3D"(ht=
tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element)">(https://en.wikipedia.org/wi=
ki/Chemical_element).</a><br><br>An possible implementation would be to com=
bine the rafsi of the numbers with the rafsi of <b><a href=3D"http://jbovla=
ste.lojban.org/dict/ratni">ratni.</a><br><br></b>An example:<br>=C2=A0<b>pa=
vrat<br></b><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;"><i>x1 is an atom of atomic nu=
mber 1 of isotope number/atomic weight x2<sub></sub>; x1 is hydrogen of iso=
tope number/atomic weight x2<br></i></div><i><b>=C2=A0<br></b></i><div styl=
e=3D"margin-left: 40px;">and/or<i><b><br><br></b>x1 is a quantity of/contai=
ns/is made of hydrogen<br><br></i></div>The latter definition could of cour=
se also be made with <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/gunma"><b>=
gunma</b></a> or something similar.<br><br>Any thoughts on that?<br><br>(An=
other proposal which might be discussed is if protons, neutrons and such sh=
ould be called something equivalent to &quot;up-up-down&quot; [proton]<br>i=
nstead of <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/protoni"><b>protoni <=
/b></a>or <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/nurtoni"><b>nurtoni <=
/b></a>respectively. Then it would be necessary to define unambigious valsi=
 for quantum states )<br><br>I am neither a physician nor an experienced lo=
jbanist but this simply bugged me several days, so what do you think of it?=
<br> </div>

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