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[85.179.14.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d4sm9926712wjk.11.2016.06.04.03.12.27 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Jun 2016 03:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [lojban] Nomenclature of the periodic table References: <2885643.QyLFOj7SkF@caracal> From: Niels Tron Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D49A5761-0946-4FCF-A176-A8F1F057D708 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13E238) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4581DF54-EC46-48A9-93BC-EE804061E6AC@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:12:26 +0200 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: Hr.Muendler@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hr.muendler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hr.muendler@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --Apple-Mail-D49A5761-0946-4FCF-A176-A8F1F057D708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') from its combining form 'oxide', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and another element. Oh yes, sorry I meant "element 8" = "oxygen". That oxide is meant would be evident if there's more than one oxygen atom in a compound. Or am I wrong about that? (no chemist either) > Am 03.06.2016 um 19:45 schrieb MorphemeAddict : > > There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') from its combining form 'oxide', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and another element. > > stevo > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Niels Tron wrote: >>>> On Thursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote: >>>> So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi? >>> >>> I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau", but for those two chemicals >>> I also have alternate names "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter because >>> mantyslami jaurvelvi'u). >> >> I'm certain you would day that, but my approach would be a rather systematic one. It would simply state that this is a compound of two times the atom of order (proton amount) 8 (which is oxide). >> Of course one could use your proposal, but the idea is that by another way ANY atom can be expressed (in a strictly scientific area or for anyone who doesn't want to learn some randomly assigned words, copied into the lojban language) >> >>> Am 02.06.2016 um 23:56 schrieb Pierre Abbat : >>> >>>> On Thursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote: >>>> So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi? >>> >>> I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau", but for those two chemicals >>> I also have alternate names "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter because >>> mantyslami jaurvelvi'u). >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/z8MlyYMdAT8/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/z8MlyYMdAT8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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There should be a way to dis= tinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') from its combining form 'oxide= ', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and another element. 

Oh ye= s, sorry I meant "element 8" =3D "oxygen".  That oxide is meant would = be evident if there's more than one oxygen atom in a compound. Or am I wron= g about that? (no chemist either)

Am 03.06.2016 um 19:45 schr= ieb MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.c= om>:

Ther= e should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') from i= ts combining form 'oxide', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and another = element. 

stevo

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Niels Tron <= hr.muendler@gmail.com> wrote:
On T= hursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote:
So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi?

I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau= ", but for those two chemicals 
I also have alternate names "bakryg= apci" and "mantygapci" (the latter because 
mantyslami jaurvelvi'u)= .

I'm certain you would= day that, but my approach would be a rather systematic one. It would simpl= y state that this is a compound of two times the atom of order (proton amou= nt) 8 (which is oxide). 
Of course one could use your propos= al, but the idea is that by another way ANY atom can be expressed (in a str= ictly scientific area or for anyone who doesn't want to learn some randomly= assigned words, copied into the lojban language)

Am 02.06.2016 um 23:56 schrieb Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

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On Thursday, Ju= ne 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote:
= So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi?

I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau= ", but for those two chemicals
I also have alternate names= "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter because
mantysl= ami jaurvelvi'u).

Pierre
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