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[2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p189si424424itc.1.2016.06.05.00.48.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236; Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id e72so185470364oib.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.187.10 with SMTP id l10mr5927201oif.125.1465112894564; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.43.43 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 00:47:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4581DF54-EC46-48A9-93BC-EE804061E6AC@gmail.com> References: <2885643.QyLFOj7SkF@caracal> <4581DF54-EC46-48A9-93BC-EE804061E6AC@gmail.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 02:47:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Nomenclature of the periodic table To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ce040a313640534832d07 X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lytlesw@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a113ce040a313640534832d07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, 'oxide' isn't used for indicating the number of oxygen atoms in a molecule, but rather to indicate that there is only one other kind of atom in the molecule besides oxygen, hence the 'binary' I mentioned before. E.g., carbon dioxide (CO2) has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms per CO2 molecule. The 'two' is indicated by "di-", and the fact that there is only one other kind of atom, namely, carbon, is indicated by the "-ide". The oxygen is indicated by its supershort combining form "ox-". This also means that a molecule with three or more different kinds of atoms can't be called an "-ide". stevo On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Niels Tron wrote: > There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') > from its combining form 'oxide', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and > another element. > > > Oh yes, sorry I meant "element 8" = "oxygen". That oxide is meant would > be evident if there's more than one oxygen atom in a compound. Or am I > wrong about that? (no chemist either) > > Am 03.06.2016 um 19:45 schrieb MorphemeAddict : > > There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8 ('oxygen') > from its combining form 'oxide', meaning a binary compound of oxygen and > another element. > > stevo > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Niels Tron wrote: > >> On Thursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote: >> >> So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi? >> >> >> I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau", but for those two >> chemicals >> I also have alternate names "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter >> because >> mantyslami jaurvelvi'u). >> >> >> I'm certain you would day that, but my approach would be a rather >> systematic one. It would simply state that this is a compound of two times >> the atom of order (proton amount) 8 (which is oxide). >> Of course one could use your proposal, but the idea is that by another >> way ANY atom can be expressed (in a strictly scientific area or for anyone >> who doesn't want to learn some randomly assigned words, copied into the >> lojban language) >> >> Am 02.06.2016 um 23:56 schrieb Pierre Abbat : >> >> On Thursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote: >> >> So accordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi? >> >> >> I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau", but for those two >> chemicals >> I also have alternate names "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter >> because >> mantyslami jaurvelvi'u). >> >> Pierre >> -- >> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/z8MlyYMdAT8/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/z8MlyYMdAT8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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No, 'oxide' isn't used for indicating the number= of oxygen atoms in a molecule, but rather to indicate that there is only o= ne other kind of atom in the molecule besides oxygen, hence the 'binary= ' I mentioned before.=C2=A0

E.g., carbon dioxide (CO2) has o= ne carbon atom and two oxygen atoms per CO2 molecule. The 'two' is = indicated by "di-", and the fact that there is only one other kin= d of atom, namely, carbon, is indicated by the "-ide". The oxygen= is indicated by its supershort combining form "ox-".=C2=A0
=
This also means that a molecule with three or more different kinds of= atoms can't be called an "-ide".=C2=A0

stevo=C2= =A0

On= Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Niels Tron <hr.muendler@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary) element 8= ('oxygen') from its combining form 'oxide', meaning a bina= ry compound of oxygen and another element.=C2=A0
<= /blockquote>
Oh yes, sorry I meant "element 8&quo= t; =3D "oxygen".=C2=A0 That oxide is meant would be evident if th= ere's more than one oxygen atom in a compound. Or am I wrong about that= ? (no chemist either)

Am 03.06.2016 um= 19:45 schrieb MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

There should be a way to distinguish (if necessary= ) element 8 ('oxygen') from its combining form 'oxide', mea= ning a binary compound of oxygen and another element.=C2=A0

stev= o

On F= ri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Niels Tron <hr.muendler@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
On Thursday, June 02, 2016 22:53:13 Niels Tro= n wrote:
So accordingly dioxid= e would be simply relyratrbi?

I say "t= abno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykijytau", but for those two = chemicals=C2=A0
I also have alternate names "bakrygapci" and &= quot;mantygapci" (the latter because=C2=A0
mantyslami jaurvelvi'= ;u).

I'm certain yo= u would day that, but my approach would be a rather systematic one. It woul= d simply state that this is a compound of two times the atom of order (prot= on amount) 8 (which is oxide).=C2=A0
Of course one could use your= proposal, but the idea is that by another way ANY atom can be expressed (i= n a strictly scientific area or for anyone who doesn't want to learn so= me randomly assigned words, copied into the lojban language)

Am 02.06.2016 um 23:56 schrieb Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

<= /span>
On Thursday, June 02, 2016= 22:53:13 Niels Tron wrote:
So ac= cordingly dioxide would be simply relyratrbi?
=
I say "tabno relkijytau" and "tabno pavykij= ytau", but for those two chemicals
I also have altern= ate names "bakrygapci" and "mantygapci" (the latter bec= ause
mantyslami jaurvelvi'u).
<= br>Pierre
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