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I expected there to be some exceptions. The nomenclature of chemistry is
very old and very conservative.

stevo

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, June 05, 2016 02:47:44 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> > This also means that a molecule with three or more different kinds of
> atoms
> > can't be called an "-ide".
>
> Not quite true; ammonium (NH4) and cyanogen (C2N2) are often treated as i=
f
> they were elements. Ammonium cyanide has three kinds of atoms.
>
> There's a set of affixes for indicating how many oxygen atoms are in an
> inorganic acid or salt thereof, but the number of oxygens (except for -id=
e,
> which is 0) is not constant over elements. (Carbon is treated
> inconsistently:
> carbonic acid is treated as inorganic, but the acid with one fewer oxygen
> is
> treated as organic and called formic, not carbonous.)
> hydropelonic acid -> pelonide
> hypopelonous acid -> hypopelonite
> pelonous acid -> pelonite
> pelonic acid -> pelonate
> perpelonic acid -> perpelonate.
>
> Pierre
> --
> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">I expected there to be some exceptions. The nomenclature of =
chemistry is very old and very conservative.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun =
6, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ph=
ma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sunday, June 05, 2016=
 02:47:44 MorphemeAddict wrote:<br>
&gt; This also means that a molecule with three or more different kinds of =
atoms<br>
&gt; can&#39;t be called an &quot;-ide&quot;.<br>
<br>
</span>Not quite true; ammonium (NH4) and cyanogen (C2N2) are often treated=
 as if<br>
they were elements. Ammonium cyanide has three kinds of atoms.<br>
<br>
There&#39;s a set of affixes for indicating how many oxygen atoms are in an=
<br>
inorganic acid or salt thereof, but the number of oxygens (except for -ide,=
<br>
which is 0) is not constant over elements. (Carbon is treated inconsistentl=
y:<br>
carbonic acid is treated as inorganic, but the acid with one fewer oxygen i=
s<br>
treated as organic and called formic, not carbonous.)<br>
hydropelonic acid -&gt; pelonide<br>
hypopelonous acid -&gt; hypopelonite<br>
pelonous acid -&gt; pelonite<br>
pelonic acid -&gt; pelonate<br>
perpelonic acid -&gt; perpelonate.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.<br>
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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