Received: from mail-vk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:32821) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bBokp-0005FB-I7 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:39:39 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f61.google.com with SMTP id c127sf16751664vkb.0 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=+j0KkjpouPZXhYCGFLVxouQxVOIsIY1Z6hkqGPGkU+8=; b=iBSqIvF9ReJTZDVOpAPjYXwKfFKQDF/GLbB4Rpnr81MdXS5jQusJFO3GC+Q/IVV9/B lTyr8Vtar7Gb1aHmIChrwiK8A7rRYFDBqzmTyWqqJ8fM1HNr1RzbjU8NnLnbBv7Mkiuk +qhDpvmVGAvTFYtR/EJPyX9n+YI+DoRKAvfer24MezCHwaREE5V5G1/EvupNpD+2vh0B ndLjc4sw/0j3/HS+sC7zNF9C6u46IKsjLRnQPEzdbMvirc6lIyQw/IRY8HH8+kE2TdqX I3fjOiHPKXjvyP8QNvsc3ONNuckmD77IHRI1oKBOvY2lOeuBeOJzcRziosO/2K4aB06L Ox+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=+j0KkjpouPZXhYCGFLVxouQxVOIsIY1Z6hkqGPGkU+8=; b=dMvdjUF2Xrrta9vvscMEKoR7zUBjgIpGk7RpenpEIV3t/oy2IUKlrgal+snN9+Soew 0F9eA+B3TQ22mS0ROmfsKyouAxjmDThTZ17AkhPKXae1gfX3v39x3bI2PJgWBQrUr7mK Gb6syy36wFBDeqZ3MimPfxMkusKXHGSksy3z+dzTOCIrO1w6Im3qQE7cL3/AqR+Guh3e aC+KWqbm7V2CzuqJm0YhDq1f1URKAwDFQI3sTYNP0X77fRIeogHBVF9qbKSwI4zjvINc wMODeG/TrUsd2JPiyeWVabyLnHFzONjK5HBAoIsoAsYZNcQus+Sv33S3SkQc8p1FqPMm fZWg== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKUgtmkVz+KhI9RTxddonuPJr4Q8vasEHvZx7iJZ23ZOgkOJWO/JYE72ZRCm96hoA== X-Received: by 10.36.103.134 with SMTP id u128mr139055itc.5.1465673969405; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.144.68 with SMTP id s65ls1140813iod.33.gmail; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.80.130 with SMTP id r2mr6196486pax.42.1465673969143; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.121.209 with SMTP id z200msitc; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.37.28 with SMTP id k28mr105336otb.18.1465670016893; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com To: lojban Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Nomenclature of the periodic table MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_204_1521732386.1465670016687" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_204_1521732386.1465670016687 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_205_893373940.1465670016688" ------=_Part_205_893373940.1465670016688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Em quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2016 17:31:34 UTC+3, la pluja escreveu: > > Something that has bugged me the last few days is the current nomenclature > of the chemical elements. > I am relatively new to lojban but what I have learned quite early is that > lojban tries to name every object/idea/concept systematically. > So for an example the lojban names for days in a week are named after > there position in the week. > Monday (or "is a monday") for example is *pavdei *(a construct of the > rafsi of pa and djedi), literally "one-day". > > On the other hand the current nomenclature of chemical elements > (https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/dikni_selratni_cartu) is based on their > trivia names in latin/english or whatsoever. > > Why is this? It's like calling monday *mondei * in lojba. > > I propose the chemical elements are called by the number of protons in > their nuclei, which defines the chemical element > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element). > > An possible implementation would be to combine the rafsi of the numbers > with the rafsi of > > *ratni. *An example: > > *pavrat* > > *x1 is an atom of atomic number 1 of isotope number/atomic weight x2; x1 > is hydrogen of isotope number/atomic weight x2* > > > and/or > > > > *x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of hydrogen* > The latter definition could of course also be made with *gunma* > or something similar. > > Any thoughts on that? > But why not just use e.g. {lo ratni be li pa bei li re} for Deuterium etc.? For ions like CH3- separate single words could be used of course. > > (Another proposal which might be discussed is if protons, neutrons and > such should be called something equivalent to "up-up-down" [proton] > instead of *protoni * or *nurtoni > * respectively. Then it would > be necessary to define unambigious valsi for quantum states ) > > I am neither a physician nor an experienced lojbanist but this simply > bugged me several days, so what do you think of it? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_205_893373940.1465670016688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Em quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2016 17:31:34 UTC+3= , la pluja escreveu:
Something that has bugged me the last few days is the current nome= nclature of the chemical elements.
I am relatively new to lojban but wha= t I have learned quite early is that lojban tries to name every object/idea= /concept systematically.
So for an example the lojban names for days in = a week are named after there position in the week.
Monday (or "is a= monday") for example is pavdei (a construct of the rafsi of pa= and djedi), literally "one-day".

On the other hand the cu= rrent nomenclature of chemical elements (https://jbo.wikipedia.org/= wiki/dikni_selratni_cartu) is based on their trivia names in latin/engl= ish or whatsoever.

Why is this? It's like calling monday mond= ei in lojba.

I propose the chemical elements are called by the = number of protons in their nuclei, which defines the chemical element (h= ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element).

An possible= implementation would be to combine the rafsi of the numbers with the rafsi= of ratni.

An example:=C2=A0pavrat
x1 is an atom of= atomic number 1 of isotope number/atomic weight x2; x1 is hydro= gen of isotope number/atomic weight x2
=C2=A0
and/or

x1 is a quantity o= f/contains/is made of hydrogen

The latter definition could= of course also be made with gunma or something similar.

Any thoughts on that?


(Another proposal which might be discus= sed is if protons, neutrons and such should be called something equivalent = to "up-up-down" [proton]
instead of protoni or nurtoni respectively. Then it would be necessary to define unam= bigious valsi for quantum states )

I am neither a physician nor an e= xperienced lojbanist but this simply bugged me several days, so what do you= think of it?

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