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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci4si3890355pad.1.2016.06.15.09.04.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bDDId-0001QW-9J for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:04:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:04:15 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] The great irony of the CLL update project. Message-ID: <20160615160414.GH19771@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - So back in the day when deciding what markup to use, I picked DocBook because it could apparently do everything and was very clear. That is, if you see foo!, you know exactly what that means; clarity for editors. To get to docbook, I started with a qausi-HTML dump of the original CLL's .doc It turns out, however, that there's no good, direct, free path from DocBook to PDF; you have to go through XSL-FO (what?), LaTeX (badly) or HTML (via Prince, which is what we're using, or other things; they all costs money) The irony is that as of now, *every single output format* goes through HTML. In fact, all of them except PDF *are* HTML (ePub is just the HTML output slightly re-jiggered). So I could have saved a huge amount of work, if I'd known about how bad the PDF chain was and if I'd known about Prince, by skipping DocBook entirely. (Indeed, one could argue that I should just take the auto-converted HTML and drop the docbook, but actually it has some advantages; the HTML is about 2x bigger (i.e. more verbose), which makes things harder on editors, and we get chunking for free. 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