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First and third person pronouns in English change shape in the subject versus object position, so it wouldn't actually be an issue On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Paul Rapoport wrote: > I'd say both. The ambiguity here isn't terribly large. > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> New signs at the train station: "Stand behind the yellow line. Trains >> belong on the tracks ... not you" Now, is the intended meaning >> 1) ko ti'a lo pelxu linji ku sanli .i tu'a lo trene cu mapti lo cpana be >> lo rengarna e nai do >> or >> 2) ko ti'a lo pelxu linji ku sanli .i tu'a lo trene e nai do cu mapti lo >> cpana be lo rengarna >> >> ? >> >> Both work and could be meant. 2) seems more likely, but you never >> know... >> --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Interestingly, this ambiguity only exists in the second = person.=C2=A0 First and third person pronouns in English change shape in th= e subject versus object position, so it wouldn't actually be an issue

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Paul Rapoport <<= a href=3D"mailto:coronacoreanici@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">coronacoreani= ci@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd say both. The ambiguity here isn't terribly large.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Michael Turniansky <mt= urniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 New signs at t= he train station: "Stand behind the yellow line.=C2=A0 Trains belong o= n the tracks ... not you" =C2=A0Now, is the intended meaning
1) ko= =C2=A0ti'a lo pelxu linji ku sanli .i tu'a lo trene cu mapti lo cp= ana be lo rengarna e nai do=C2=A0
or
2) ko =C2=A0ti'= ;a lo pelxu linji ku sanli .i tu'a lo trene e nai do cu mapti lo cpana = be lo rengarna=C2=A0

?

= =C2=A0 Both work and could be meant. =C2=A02) seems more likely, but you ne= ver know...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

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