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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:08:38 +0200
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On Jul 7, 2016 2:38 PM, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 07, 2016 06:10:04 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> > It is, although doesn't spofu get the point across?
>
> "rumfli" denotes a failure mode. lo pertergu'i ka'e spofu secau lonu mo'u
> rumfli. It could have broken by falling.

I don't agree. {fliba} is more or less agentive, which means that the lujvo
is kind of wrong. It most likely would be interpreted as failing to melt.

I think that "to fail because of melting" is too specific. It's enough to
create a lujvo meaning "to fail to emit' = dirce zei spofu = di'erpo'u (x1
fails to emit x2 under conditions x3), or maybe "to fail to
be-the-source-of-light" = tergusni zei spofu = terguspo'u (x1 is a broken
light source; fails to illuminate x2 with light x3), indeed using {spofu}
as Michael Turnianski proposed. Then we can use a tanru with {runme}.

Your example would be
i cumki falonu lo boltergu'i cu na'e runme terguspo'ubi'o
or
i cumki falonu lo boltergu'i cu farlu terguspo'ubi'o
I wouldn't use {ka'e} here, because it is more of a potential than a
possibility. Also added -bi'o-, which could've been accomplished with
{binxo} as a tanru unit.

>
> Pierre
> --
> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

mi'e la uakci mu'o re'i

i ko na ecnu tau lo karce i lo relxima cu be fo li pa ki'o zabna zmadu

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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Jul 7, 2016 2:38 PM, &quot;Pierre Abbat&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma=
@bezitopo.org">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Thursday, July 07, 2016 06:10:04 Michael Turniansky wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; It is, although doesn&#39;t spofu get the point across?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;rumfli&quot; denotes a failure mode. lo pertergu&#39;i ka&#39;e =
spofu secau lonu mo&#39;u<br>
&gt; rumfli. It could have broken by falling.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t agree. {fliba} is more or less agentive, which m=
eans that the lujvo is kind of wrong. It most likely would be interpreted a=
s failing to melt.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I think that &quot;to fail because of melting&quot; is too s=
pecific. It&#39;s enough to create a lujvo meaning &quot;to fail to emit=
9; =3D dirce zei spofu =3D di&#39;erpo&#39;u (x1 fails to emit x2 under con=
ditions x3), or maybe &quot;to fail to be-the-source-of-light&quot; =3D ter=
gusni zei spofu =3D terguspo&#39;u (x1 is a broken light source; fails to i=
lluminate x2 with light x3), indeed using {spofu} as Michael Turnianski pro=
posed. Then we can use a tanru with {runme}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Your example would be<br>
i cumki falonu lo boltergu&#39;i cu na&#39;e runme terguspo&#39;ubi&#39;o<b=
r>
or<br>
i cumki falonu lo boltergu&#39;i cu farlu terguspo&#39;ubi&#39;o<br>
I wouldn&#39;t use {ka&#39;e} here, because it is more of a potential than =
a possibility. Also added -bi&#39;o-, which could&#39;ve been accomplished =
with {binxo} as a tanru unit.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; Pierre<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Don&#39;t buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">mi&#39;e la uakci mu&#39;o re&#39;i</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">i ko na ecnu tau lo karce i lo relxima cu be fo li pa ki&#39=
;o zabna zmadu<br></p>
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