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On Thursday, July 07, 2016 15:08:38 Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:
> I don't agree. {fliba} is more or less agentive, which means that the lujvo
> is kind of wrong. It most likely would be interpreted as failing to melt.
> 
> I think that "to fail because of melting" is too specific. It's enough to
> create a lujvo meaning "to fail to emit' = dirce zei spofu = di'erpo'u (x1
> fails to emit x2 under conditions x3), or maybe "to fail to
> be-the-source-of-light" = tergusni zei spofu = terguspo'u (x1 is a broken
> light source; fails to illuminate x2 with light x3), indeed using {spofu}
> as Michael Turnianski proposed. Then we can use a tanru with {runme}.
> 
> Your example would be
> i cumki falonu lo boltergu'i cu na'e runme terguspo'ubi'o
> or
> i cumki falonu lo boltergu'i cu farlu terguspo'ubi'o
> I wouldn't use {ka'e} here, because it is more of a potential than a
> possibility. Also added -bi'o-, which could've been accomplished with
> {binxo} as a tanru unit.

"runme terguspo'ubi'o" is rather long. The meaning I intend is not specific to 
light bulbs, but can also be done by fuses and a part of sprinklers (the valve 
is held closed by a part which melts in a fire, letting water onto the fire). 
How would you say it?

> i ko na ecnu tau lo karce i lo relxima cu be fo li pa ki'o zabna zmadu

ki'a

Pierre
-- 
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The darfs had smibbed, the lutt was thale, and the pilter had nothing snave.

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