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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p199si951460wmd.1.2016.08.08.03.04.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Aug 2016 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::235; Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id q128so105535035wma.1 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.46.0.220 with SMTP id e89mr26415627lji.58.1470650642581; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.3.203 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 03:04:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Bruno Panasiewicz Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:04:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] djekarni (Diary): le karni fe la timoteios. To: mriste Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142b34223ccbf05398c8920 X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ciuak.prog@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1142b34223ccbf05398c8920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi and thanks for writing this! Now I'll do my best to correct what you've written. On 8 August 2016 at 11:37, Timothy Lawrence < timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote: > *pe'u ko dragau mi ki'u la lojban.na verclibau mi* > =E2=80=8BSo, first of all, =C2=ABpe'u=C2=BB eats the =C2=ABko=C2=BB, giving= a sentence meaning something like "Please do so that someone corrects me". I recommend that you use =C2=AB.e'o=C2=BB. Then, =C2=ABla .lojban. na verclibau mi=C2=BB, in= order to be contained in =C2=ABki'u=C2=BB, has to be made into a sumti with =C2=ABlo nu= =C2=BB. I also prefer =C2=ABjbebau=C2=BB instead of =C2=ABverclibau=C2=BB. So, the sentenc= e would look like: .e'o ko dragau mi ki'u lo nu la .lojban. na jbebau mi=E2=80=8B > > > *Corrigez-moi, s'il vous pla=C3=AEt, parce que le fran=C3=A7ias n'est pas= ma langue > maternelle. * > > Please correct any of my language versions or suggest improvements - > English is my native language so I hope I got that one right ;) > > > > *fi'i ko spuda* > =E2=80=8BAgain, =C2=ABfi'i=C2=BB eats the =C2=ABko=C2=BB. This time I'd use= =C2=AB.e'e=C2=BB ('encouragement')=E2=80=8B for this sentence: .i .e'e ko spuda > *Vous =C3=AAtes invit=C3=A9s =C3=A0 r=C3=A9pondre.* > > You are welcome to respond. > > > > *coi le karni. * > > *i mi'e la timoteios.i mi xabju le sralygu'e.* > > *i ca'o le cabdei mi pu ctigau la plipe.i la plipe.* > =E2=80=8BBecause =C2=ABplipe=C2=BB is not a cmevla, you don't need the '.' = after it.=E2=80=8B =C2=ABla plipe=C2=BB is all fine. If you want to stick to using cmevla, you can say =C2=ABla .plipes.=C2=BB o= r =C2=ABla .plip.=C2=BB. > > *cu dalpe'o mi. **i la plipe.cu citka le srasu ni'i la > plipe.cu pipyjalra.* > =E2=80=8B=C2=ABla plipe cu pipyjalra=C2=BB is a bridi, and =C2=ABni'i=C2=BB= can eat a sumti. So you need to use =C2=ABlo nu=C2=BB, making it: la plipe cu citka le srasu ki'u lo nu la plipe cu pipyjalra=E2=80=8B =C2=ABni'i=C2=BB is a word for logical implication, so the sentence would m= ean 'Plipe is a grasshopper, thus Plipe eats grass'. =C2=ABki'u=C2=BB is a better fit = here. > *i mi ze'u ciska dei.i mi ba za'u re'u ciska.* > =E2=80=8BThe first sentence says you've been writing just *it* for a long t= ime. What about this: .i mi ze'u ciska lo dei se karni=E2=80=8B =C2=ABlo dei se karni=C2=BB meaning 'the magazine-content related to this s= entence'. > *mu'o* > > > *Cher journal,* > > *Je m'appelle Timotheos. J'habite en Australie.* > > > *Aujourd'hui, j'ai nourri Plipe. Plipe est mon animal de compagnie. Elle > mange de l'herbe parce qu'elle est un criquet.* > > *Cela a pris beaucoup de temps =C3=A0 =C3=A9crire. Je vais =C3=A9crire en= core.* > > > > Dear diary, > > I am Timotheos. I live in Australia. > > Today I fed Plipe. Plipe is my pet. > She eats grass because she is a grasshopper. > It took me a very long time to write this. I will write again. > =E2=80=8BI'm really glad you've written this, and thus made my concept a re= al thing. Don't hesitate to write again (or ask further questions). ~ mi'e la uakci mu'o=E2=80=8B > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of > Bruno Panasiewicz > *Sent:* Friday, 3 June 2016 2:19 AM > *To:* mriste > *Subject:* [lojban] djekarni (Diary) > > coi ro do (Hi everyone,) > > .i mi jai se kosmu lo nu stidi da do (I'm here to suggest you something) > .i sa'e stidi lo du'u djekarni fi do (-- that is, to suggest making a > diary.) > .i mi kucli lo nu ca ro djedi ja jeftu ja jeftyxadba lo jbopre cu gubgau > lo cinri .a'o fasnu pe lo nei (I'm thinking about having Lojbanists writi= ng > interesting, I hope, stories of their own daily/weekly/twice a week.) > .i ru'i ku lo nu troci cu xamgu (It's always good to try.) > .i .au lo nintadni cu ji'a pagzu'e (I'd like to see beginners taking part > as well.) > .i da'i ja'e bo dragau (Perhaps we can correct each other then.) > .i va'o lo nu no se lifri pe do cu cinri zo'u .yyy (In case none of your > daily experiences are interesting, er,) > ma krinu lo nu do za'o zvati la jbogu'e kei .u'i (how come you still are > in Lojbanistan? :) ) > .i mi jijnu lo nu lo nintadni cu .ei ciska lo glico jai se djica ku ji'a > (I guess beginners should write what they intended to say as well, in > English,) > te zu'e lo nu frili dragau (in order to make correcting easier.) > > .i ta'o ba lo nu rau lisri cu se ciska zo'u jmajygau (By the way, when > enough entries are written, we'd collect them.) > .i ja'e bo barda ke fatci lisri (This makes for a big true story) > gi'e voi ro da zifre lo ka tcidu ke'a (that anyone can read.) > .i da'i cinri sai (It'd be very interesting) > fa lo nu tcidu lo me lo drata moi djekarni fasnu (-- reading someone > else's stories from their diary.) > > .i do ma jinvi lo sidbo (What do you think about the idea?) > .i mi se pluka da'i lo nu do spuda fi tu'a lo se jinvi be ba'e do (I'd be > glad if you sent me such feedback.) > co'o ru'e (See you!) > > -- mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Hi and thanks for writing this! Now I'll do my best to cor= rect what you've written.

On 8 August 2016 at 11:37, Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

pe'u ko dragau mi ki'u la lojban.na verclibau mi

=E2=80=8BSo, first of all, =C2=ABpe'u=C2= =BB eats the =C2=ABko=C2=BB, giving a sentence meaning something like "= ;Please do so that someone corrects me". I recommend that you use =C2= =AB.e'o=C2=BB. Then, =C2=ABla .lojban. na verclibau mi=C2=BB, in order = to be contained in =C2=ABki'u=C2=BB, has to be made into a sumti with = =C2=ABlo nu=C2=BB. I also prefer =C2=ABjbebau=C2=BB instead of =C2=ABvercli= bau=C2=BB. So, the sentence would look like:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .e= 'o ko dragau mi ki'u lo nu la .lojban. na jbebau mi=E2=80=8B
<= br>=C2=A0


Corrigez-moi, s'il vous pla=C3=AEt, parce que le fra= n=C3=A7ias n'est pas ma langue maternelle.

Please correct any of my language versions or suggest improvements= - English is my native language so I hope I got that one right ;)



fi'i ko spuda

=E2=80=8BAga= in, =C2=ABfi'i=C2=BB eats the =C2=ABko=C2=BB. This time I'd use =C2= =AB.e'e=C2=BB ('encouragement')=E2=80=8B for this sentence:
=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .i .e'e ko spuda

=C2=A0

Vous =C3=AAtes invit=C3=A9s =C3=A0 r=C3=A9pondre.

You are welcome to respond.



coi le karni.

i mi'e la timot= eios.i mi xabju le sralygu'e.

i ca'o le cabdei mi pu ctigau la plipe.i la plipe.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">=E2= =80=8BBecause =C2=ABplipe=C2=BB is not a cmevla, you don't need the = 9;.' after it.=E2=80=8B =C2=ABla plipe=C2=BB is all fine.
If you w= ant to stick to using cmevla, you can say =C2=ABla .plipes.=C2=BB or =C2=AB= la .plip.=C2=BB.

=C2=A0

cu= dalpe'o mi.
i la plip= e.cu citka le srasu ni'i la plipe.cu pipyjalra.

=E2=80=8B=C2=ABla = plipe cu pipyjalra=C2=BB is a bridi, and =C2=ABni'i=C2=BB can eat a sum= ti. So you need to use =C2=ABlo nu=C2=BB, making it:

=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 la plipe cu citka le srasu ki'u lo nu la plipe cu pipyjalra=E2= =80=8B

=C2=ABni'i=C2=BB is a word for logical implication, so = the sentence would mean 'Plipe is a grasshopper, thus Plipe eats grass&= #39;. =C2=ABki'u=C2=BB is a better fit here.

=C2=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

i mi ze'u ciska dei.i mi ba za= 9;u re'u ciska.


=E2=80=8BThe= first sentence says you've been writing just *it* for a long time. Wha= t about this:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .i mi ze'u ciska lo dei se ka= rni=E2=80=8B

=C2=ABlo dei se karni=C2=BB meaning 'the magazine= -content related to this sentence'.

=C2=A0

mu'o



Cher journal,

Je m'appelle Timotheos. J'habite en Australie.

Aujourd'hui, j'ai=C2=A0nourri Plipe. Plipe= est mon animal de compagnie.
Elle mange de l'herbe parce qu'elle est un criqu= et.

Cela a pris beaucoup de temps =C3=A0 =C3=A9crire. = Je vais =C3=A9crire encore.



Dear diary,

I am Timotheos. I live in Australia.

Today I fed Plipe. Plipe is my pet.

She eats grass because she is a grasshopper.
It took me a very long time to write this. I will write again.
<= /div>


=E2=80=8BI'm really glad you&= #39;ve written this, and thus made my concept a real thing. Don't hesit= ate to write again (or ask further questions).

~ mi= 'e la uakci mu'o=E2=80=8B



From: lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on beh= alf of Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 2:19 AM
To: mriste
Subject: [lojban] djekarni (Diary)
=C2=A0
coi ro do (Hi everyone,)

.i mi jai se kosmu lo nu stidi da do (I'm here to suggest you something= )
.i sa'e stidi lo du'u djekarni fi do (-- that is, to suggest making= a diary.)
.i mi kucli lo nu ca ro djedi ja jeftu ja jeftyxadba lo jbopre cu gubgau lo= cinri .a'o fasnu pe lo nei (I'm thinking about having Lojbanists w= riting interesting, I hope, stories of their own daily/weekly/twice a week.= )
.i ru'i ku lo nu troci cu xamgu (It's always good to try.)
.i .au lo nintadni cu ji'a pagzu'e (I'd like to see beginners t= aking part as well.)
.i da'i ja'e bo dragau (Perhaps we can correct each other then.)
.i va'o lo nu no se lifri pe do cu cinri zo'u .yyy (In case none of= your daily experiences are interesting, er,)
ma krinu lo nu do za'o zvati la jbogu'e kei .u'i (how come you = still are in Lojbanistan? :) )
.i mi jijnu lo nu lo nintadni cu .ei ciska lo glico jai se djica ku ji'= a (I guess beginners should write what they intended to say as well, in Eng= lish,)
te zu'e lo nu frili dragau (in order to make correcting easier.)

.i ta'o ba lo nu rau lisri cu se ciska zo'u jmajygau (By the way, w= hen enough entries are written, we'd collect them.)
.i ja'e bo barda ke fatci lisri (This makes for a big true story)
gi'e voi ro da zifre lo ka tcidu ke'a (that anyone can read.)
.i da'i cinri sai (It'd be very interesting)
fa lo nu tcidu lo me lo drata moi djekarni fasnu (-- reading someone else&#= 39;s stories from their diary.)

.i do ma jinvi lo sidbo (What do you think about the idea?)
.i mi se pluka da'i lo nu do spuda fi tu'a lo se jinvi be ba'e = do (I'd be glad if you sent me such feedback.)
co'o ru'e (See you!)

-- mu'o

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