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From: Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:16:56 +0200
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No offense, but that's a horrible idea. Let me tell you why:

=E2=80=A2 there's no contract or anything, so those who do less while seemi=
ng to do
a lot will get the same amount as those who really work hard.

=E2=80=A2 there'd be a need for a lot of money, otherwise it wouldn't gain =
interest.

=E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone.

I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. I don't want
Lojbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great community and a great
language.

=E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o

On Aug 9, 2016 8:25 AM, "Timothy Lawrence" <
timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

> I would be more than happy to offer small monetary rewards for community
> involvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, stories, poem=
s
> or diary entries - including from learners. One idea is that a bounty cou=
ld
> be given to a random contributor over a week or so. The condition would b=
e
> that all work submitted would be with the CC0 content licence or similar.
>
>
> If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something
> like this, let me know.
>
>
> I have found https://www.bountysource.com/ but it looks like it needs
> GitHub or similar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possib=
le
> contributors. Maybe we could make a hub for all the community projects
> using a supported platform?
>
>
> I have also found https://www.patreon.com/ but it seems more for regular
> individual creators, rather than once-off "competitions". That said, I
> would be interested in supporting some regular contributors in this way t=
oo.
>
> I haven't used any of these before but it was just an idea. I am not yet
> advanced enough in Lojban to easily contribute directly.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
> Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2016 7:00 AM
> *To:* mriste
> *Subject:* [lojban] taking action
>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently happening.
> I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where people do lots of
> translations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite: a place
> where everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains
> about it.
> Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose
> something that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place f=
or
> people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants =
to
> start a community project would be welcome.
> I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I
> think it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be
> completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of
> Lojban/English every day.
> I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not
> just a random arrangement of people with their own lives.
>
> One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? Please
> add something to it.
>
> =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">No offense, but that&#39;s a horrible idea. Let me tell you =
why:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=A2 there&#39;s no contract or anything, so those who =
do less while seeming to do a lot will get the same amount as those who rea=
lly work hard.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=A2 there&#39;d be a need for a lot of money, otherwis=
e it wouldn&#39;t gain interest.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. =
I don&#39;t want Lojbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great commu=
nity and a great language.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94 mi&#39;e la uakci mu&#39;o</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 9, 2016 8:=
25 AM, &quot;Timothy Lawrence&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:timothy.lawrence@=
connect.qut.edu.au">timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br t=
ype=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p>I would be more than happy to offer small monetary=C2=A0rewards for comm=
unity involvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, stories,=
=C2=A0poems or diary entries - including=C2=A0from learners. One idea is th=
at=C2=A0a bounty could be given to a random contributor
 over a week or so. The condition would be that all work submitted would be=
 with the CC0 content licence or similar.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something like=C2=
=A0this, let me know.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I have found=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.bountysource.com/" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.<wbr>bountysource.com/</a>=C2=A0but it looks like it need=
s GitHub or similar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possib=
le contributors. Maybe we could
 make a hub for all the community=C2=A0projects using a supported platform?=
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I have also found=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.patreon.com/" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.patreon.com/</a><wbr>=C2=A0but it seems more for regular =
individual=C2=A0creators, rather than once-off &quot;competitions&quot;. Th=
at said, I would be interested in supporting
 some regular contributors in this way too.</p>
<div><br>
</div>
I haven&#39;t used any of these before but it was just an idea. I am not ye=
t advanced enough=C2=A0in Lojban to easily contribute directly.
<div><br>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban=
@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Bruno Panasiewicz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ciuak.prog@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">ciuak.prog@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 August 2016 7:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> mriste<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [lojban] taking action</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Hi there.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m recently worried too much about that not much is cur=
rently happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where p=
eople do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the oppo=
site: a place where everyone is stingy
 about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it.<br>
Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose s=
omething that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for =
people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to=
 start a community project would
 be welcome.<br>
I&#39;m utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it&#39;s a one man project, =
and I think it&#39;s worth recognition and work from others. Most projects =
could be completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one =
line of Lojban/English every day.<br>
I&#39;d like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not=
 just a random arrangement of people with their own lives.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive S=
tory? Please add something to it.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94 mi&#39;e la uakci mu&#39;o</p>
<p></p>
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