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To be honest I was more interested in trialling it so it could be used for = the bigger Lojban projects as some people should be rewarded for spending a= lot of their time on great projects :) I certainly can't give anyone a salary but I just wanted to give a thank-yo= u, to make contributors feel valuable. Like a chocolate or such, but they a= re harder to send. It was just an idea. ________________________________ From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bruno = Panasiewicz Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2016 7:16 PM To: mriste Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action No offense, but that's a horrible idea. Let me tell you why: =E2=80=A2 there's no contract or anything, so those who do less while seemi= ng to do a lot will get the same amount as those who really work hard. =E2=80=A2 there'd be a need for a lot of money, otherwise it wouldn't gain = interest. =E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone. I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. I don't want Lo= jbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great community and a great la= nguage. =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o On Aug 9, 2016 8:25 AM, "Timothy Lawrence" > wrote: I would be more than happy to offer small monetary rewards for community in= volvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, stories, poems or= diary entries - including from learners. One idea is that a bounty could b= e given to a random contributor over a week or so. The condition would be t= hat all work submitted would be with the CC0 content licence or similar. If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something like this,= let me know. I have found https://www.bountysource.com/ but it looks like it needs GitHu= b or similar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possible cont= ributors. Maybe we could make a hub for all the community projects using a = supported platform? I have also found https://www.patreon.com/ but it seems more for regular in= dividual creators, rather than once-off "competitions". That said, I would = be interested in supporting some regular contributors in this way too. I haven't used any of these before but it was just an idea. I am not yet ad= vanced enough in Lojban to easily contribute directly. ________________________________ From: lojban@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz= > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 7:00 AM To: mriste Subject: [lojban] taking action Hi there. I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently happening. I= imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where people do lots of tr= anslations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite: a place where= everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it= . Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose s= omething that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for = people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to= start a community project would be welcome. I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I th= ink it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be com= pleted within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of Lojb= an/English every day. I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not jus= t a random arrangement of people with their own lives. One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? Please ad= d something to it. =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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Yeah it's probably a bad idea for contributions of small te= xts.


To be honest I was more interested in trialling it so it could be used f= or the bigger Lojban projects as some people should be rewarded for spendin= g a lot of their time on great projects :)


I certainly can't give anyone a salary but I just wanted to give a thank= -you, to make contributors feel valuable. Like a chocolate or such, but the= y are harder to send. It was just an idea.


From: lojban@googlegroups= .com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz <ciu= ak.prog@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2016 7:16 PM
To: mriste
Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action
 

No offense, but that's a horrible idea. Let me tell you why:=

=E2=80=A2 there's no contract or anything, so those who do l= ess while seeming to do a lot will get the same amount as those who really = work hard.

=E2=80=A2 there'd be a need for a lot of money, otherwise it= wouldn't gain interest.

=E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone.

I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. = I don't want Lojbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great community= and a great language.

=E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o


On Aug 9, 2016 8:25 AM, "Timothy Lawrence&q= uot; <timothy.law= rence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

I would be more than happy to offer small monetary rewards for comm= unity involvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, stories,&= nbsp;poems or diary entries - including from learners. One idea is tha= t a bounty could be given to a random contributor over a week or so. The condition would be that all work submitted would be= with the CC0 content licence or similar.


If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something like&nb= sp;this, let me know.


I have found https://www.bountysource.com/ but it looks like it need= s GitHub or similar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possib= le contributors. Maybe we could make a hub for all the community projects using a supported platform?


I have also found https://www.patreon.com/ but it seems more for regular = individual creators, rather than once-off "competitions". Th= at said, I would be interested in supporting some regular contributors in this way too.


I haven't used any of these before but it was just an idea. I am not yet ad= vanced enough in Lojban to easily contribute directly.

Hi there.

I'm recently worried too much about that not much is current= ly happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where peopl= e do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite= : a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it.
Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose s= omething that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for = people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to= start a community project would be welcome.
I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I th= ink it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be com= pleted within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of Lojb= an/English every day.
I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not jus= t a random arrangement of people with their own lives.

One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive S= tory? Please add something to it.

=E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o

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