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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o10si87152wme.0.2016.08.09.04.01.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Aug 2016 04:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a; Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o80so18797781wme.1 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 04:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.17.213 with SMTP id 82mr24042437lfr.119.1470740463711; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 04:01:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.3.203 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 04:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.3.203 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 04:01:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Bruno Panasiewicz Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:01:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action To: mriste Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fc050e57cea0539a1726c X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ciuak.prog@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a113fc050e57cea0539a1726c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Aug 9, 2016 12:10 PM, "Timothy Lawrence" < timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote: > > Yeah it's probably a bad idea for contributions of small texts. > > > To be honest I was more interested in trialling it so it could be used for the bigger Lojban projects as some people should be rewarded for spending a lot of their time on great projects :) > > > I certainly can't give anyone a salary but I just wanted to give a thank-you, to make contributors feel valuable. Like a chocolate or such, but they are harder to send. It was just an idea. That's the other way around. Rather than giving and expecting work, it's seeing work and giving. THAT is a good idea. > > > ________________________________ > From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz > Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2016 7:16 PM > > To: mriste > Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action > > > No offense, but that's a horrible idea. Let me tell you why: > > =E2=80=A2 there's no contract or anything, so those who do less while see= ming to do a lot will get the same amount as those who really work hard. > > =E2=80=A2 there'd be a need for a lot of money, otherwise it wouldn't gai= n interest. > > =E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone. > > I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. I don't want Lojbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great community and a great language. > > =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o > > > On Aug 9, 2016 8:25 AM, "Timothy Lawrence" < timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote: >> >> I would be more than happy to offer small monetary rewards for community involvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, stories, poems or diary entries - including from learners. One idea is that a bounty could be given to a random contributor over a week or so. The condition would be that all work submitted would be with the CC0 content licence or similar. >> >> >> If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something like this, let me know. >> >> >> I have found https://www.bountysource.com/ but it looks like it needs GitHub or similar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possible contributors. Maybe we could make a hub for all the community projects using a supported platform? >> >> >> I have also found https://www.patreon.com/ but it seems more for regular individual creators, rather than once-off "competitions". That said, I would be interested in supporting some regular contributors in this way too= . >> >> >> I haven't used any of these before but it was just an idea. I am not yet advanced enough in Lojban to easily contribute directly. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz >> Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 7:00 AM >> To: mriste >> Subject: [lojban] taking action >> >> >> Hi there. >> >> I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where people do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite: a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it. >> Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose something that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to start a community project would be welcome. >> I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I think it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of Lojban/English every day. >> I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not just a random arrangement of people with their own lives. >> >> One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? Please add something to it. >> >> =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Aug 9, 2016 12:10 PM, "Timothy Lawrence" <timothy.lawrence@conne= ct.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Yeah it's probably a bad idea for contributions of small texts. >
>
> To be honest I was more interested in trialling it so it could be used= for the bigger Lojban projects as some people should be rewarded for spend= ing a lot of their time on great projects :)
>
>
> I certainly can't give anyone a salary but I just wanted to give a= thank-you, to make contributors feel valuable. Like a chocolate or such, b= ut they are harder to send. It was just an idea.

That's the other way around. Rather than giving and expe= cting work, it's seeing work and giving. THAT is a good idea.

>
>
> ________________________________
> From: lojban@googlegroups.c= om <lojban@googlegroups.c= om> on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2016 7:16 PM
>
> To: mriste
> Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action
> =C2=A0
>
> No offense, but that's a horrible idea. Let me tell you why:
>
> =E2=80=A2 there's no contract or anything, so those who do less wh= ile seeming to do a lot will get the same amount as those who really work h= ard.
>
> =E2=80=A2 there'd be a need for a lot of money, otherwise it would= n't gain interest.
>
> =E2=80=A2 once the money is gone, the workers are gone.
>
> I think that volunteering is the best choice at this point. I don'= t want Lojbanistan to be a country of money, but of a great community and a= great language.
>
> =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 8:25 AM, "Timothy Lawrence" <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.= au> wrote:
>>
>> I would be more than happy to offer small monetary=C2=A0rewards fo= r community involvement, such as contributing translations, flashcards, sto= ries,=C2=A0poems or diary entries - including=C2=A0from learners. One idea = is that=C2=A0a bounty could be given to a random contributor over a week or= so. The condition would be that all work submitted would be with the CC0 c= ontent licence or similar.
>>
>>
>> If anyone knows a system that is good for facilitating something l= ike=C2=A0this, let me know.
>>
>>
>> I have found=C2=A0https:= //www.bountysource.com/=C2=A0but it looks like it needs GitHub or simil= ar (at the moment) which might be a barrier to many possible contributors. = Maybe we could make a hub for all the community=C2=A0projects using a suppo= rted platform?
>>
>>
>> I have also found=C2=A0https:= //www.patreon.com/=C2=A0but it seems more for regular individual=C2=A0c= reators, rather than once-off "competitions". That said, I would = be interested in supporting some regular contributors in this way too.
>>
>>
>> I haven't used any of these before but it was just an idea. I = am not yet advanced enough=C2=A0in Lojban to easily contribute directly. >>
>> ________________________________
>> From: lojban@googlegrou= ps.com <lojban@googlegrou= ps.com> on behalf of Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, 8 August 2016 7:00 AM
>> To: mriste
>> Subject: [lojban] taking action
>> =C2=A0
>>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently= happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where people = do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite: = a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and compl= ains about it.
>> Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to = propose something that would solve the problem. I think there should be a p= lace for people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or= wants to start a community project would be welcome.
>> I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man = project, and I think it's worth recognition and work from others. Most = projects could be completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist w= rote one line of Lojban/English every day.
>> I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active= , and not just a random arrangement of people with their own lives.
>>
>> One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? = Please add something to it.
>>
>> =E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google= Groups "lojban" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, = send an email to l= ojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
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>>
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