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On Aug 12, 2016 9:28 PM, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <
lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> On 8/7/2016 5:00 PM, Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:
>>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently
>> happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where
>> people do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the
>> opposite: a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking,
>> writing, and complains about it.
>> Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to
>> propose something that would solve the problem. I think there should be
>> a place for people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs
>> help or wants to start a community project would be welcome.
>> I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I
>> think it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could
>> be completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one
>> line of Lojban/English every day.
>> I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not
>> just a random arrangement of people with their own lives.
>>
>> One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? Please
>> add something to it.
>
>
> Probably because nobody has even heard of it.  This needs to change.

Agreed; though it's hard not to look into a two-month thread.

>
> ----------------------------------
>
>
> LLG, the Lojban community organization, is attempting to get itself
reactivated.  Alas, for several years it was dependent on one person, Robin
Powell, who ran the website but also ran byfy and was doing the revision
for CLL (the red book).

Why is he no longer in?

>
> Volunteerism dried up, and we didn't have anyone to act on suggestions
like the above.  I myself have been in declining health and had much less
time for Lojban in recent years.
>
> We now have a new Board and officers.  I am delegating community outreach
to two of them (Curtis Franks and Karen Stein).  I am hoping that they will
post to this and other threads shortly (as well as to IRC).  Please make
your complaints about lack of organization to them, as well as your
suggestions for new initiatives that the community can undertake.  They
will have some capacity to act on their own, and will be reporting to the
LLG Board of Directors, so that ideas start turning into action.

That's all good news. I hope we'll benefit from this in the future.

>
> At the very least we should be able to coordinate setting aside a
prominent place on the website where new ideas can be posted, and maybe get
some people to assume leadership in motivating others to become active and
to stay involved.

rova'e agreed.

>
> There also has been discussion of a small quasi-competitive prize fund
that would be a reward for the most significant contributions to the
community.   There would be periodic fixed-amount prizes in several
categories, funded from the LLG budget (as well as any donations
specifically for that purpose).   The details have to be discussed, and I
will urge the two outreachers to lead discussion on that topic.

Hmm, the success of such funding depends on how it's organized. As I
mentioned earlier, it can make volunteers decline in number, in the worst
scenario.

>
> I urge people to offer their ideas, and more importantly their commitment
to act in support of ideas that are implemented.  99% of the ideas proposed
in the last several years have died simply because the person attempting to
lead the effort got zero volunteer response to help in implementing them.

Yeah, it's a big problem. The concepts I mailed about and proposed over a
span of only a few months can't be counted on one's hands. On the other
hand, the number of those that were implemented can, even on one hand.

>
> lojbab
> Bob LeChevalier
> President, LLG

=E2=80=94 mi'e la pu'i uakci mu'o

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<p dir=3D"ltr"></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">On Aug 12, 2016 9:28 PM, &quot;Bob LeChevalier, President an=
d Founder - LLG&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org">lojbab@lojba=
n.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 8/7/2016 5:00 PM, Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi there.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m recently worried too much about that not much is currently=
<br>
&gt;&gt; happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where=
<br>
&gt;&gt; people do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see i=
s the<br>
&gt;&gt; opposite: a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking,=
<br>
&gt;&gt; writing, and complains about it.<br>
&gt;&gt; Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to<=
br>
&gt;&gt; propose something that would solve the problem. I think there shou=
ld be<br>
&gt;&gt; a place for people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that n=
eeds<br>
&gt;&gt; help or wants to start a community project would be welcome.<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it&#39;s a one man =
project, and I<br>
&gt;&gt; think it&#39;s worth recognition and work from others. Most projec=
ts could<br>
&gt;&gt; be completed within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote o=
ne<br>
&gt;&gt; line of Lojban/English every day.<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;d like to work on some way to make the community more active=
, and not<br>
&gt;&gt; just a random arrangement of people with their own lives.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? =
Please<br>
&gt;&gt; add something to it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Probably because nobody has even heard of it.=C2=A0 This needs to chan=
ge.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Agreed; though it&#39;s hard not to look into a two-month th=
read.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; ----------------------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; LLG, the Lojban community organization, is attempting to get itself re=
activated.=C2=A0 Alas, for several years it was dependent on one person, Ro=
bin Powell, who ran the website but also ran byfy and was doing the revisio=
n for CLL (the red book).</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Why is he no longer in?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; Volunteerism dried up, and we didn&#39;t have anyone to act on suggest=
ions like the above.=C2=A0 I myself have been in declining health and had m=
uch less time for Lojban in recent years.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We now have a new Board and officers.=C2=A0 I am delegating community =
outreach to two of them (Curtis Franks and Karen Stein).=C2=A0 I am hoping =
that they will post to this and other threads shortly (as well as to IRC).=
=C2=A0 Please make your complaints about lack of organization to them, as w=
ell as your suggestions for new initiatives that the community can undertak=
e.=C2=A0 They will have some capacity to act on their own, and will be repo=
rting to the LLG Board of Directors, so that ideas start turning into actio=
n.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s all good news. I hope we&#39;ll benefit from this=
 in the future.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; At the very least we should be able to coordinate setting aside a prom=
inent place on the website where new ideas can be posted, and maybe get som=
e people to assume leadership in motivating others to become active and to =
stay involved.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">rova&#39;e agreed.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; There also has been discussion of a small quasi-competitive prize fund=
 that would be a reward for the most significant contributions to the commu=
nity.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There would be periodic fixed-amount prizes in several ca=
tegories, funded from the LLG budget (as well as any donations specifically=
 for that purpose).=C2=A0 =C2=A0The details have to be discussed, and I wil=
l urge the two outreachers to lead discussion on that topic.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Hmm, the success of such funding depends on how it&#39;s org=
anized. As I mentioned earlier, it can make volunteers decline in number, i=
n the worst scenario.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; I urge people to offer their ideas, and more importantly their commitm=
ent to act in support of ideas that are implemented.=C2=A0 99% of the ideas=
 proposed in the last several years have died simply because the person att=
empting to lead the effort got zero volunteer response to help in implement=
ing them.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, it&#39;s a big problem. The concepts I mailed about an=
d proposed over a span of only a few months can&#39;t be counted on one&#39=
;s hands. On the other hand, the number of those that were implemented can,=
 even on one hand.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; lojbab<br>
&gt; Bob LeChevalier<br>
&gt; President, LLG</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94 mi&#39;e la pu&#39;i uakci mu&#39;o</p>

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