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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:56:43 +0200
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On Aug 12, 2016 10:26 PM, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> On 8/12/2016 4:02 PM, Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably because nobody has even heard of it.  This needs to change.
>>
>>
>> Agreed; though it's hard not to look into a two-month thread.
>
>
> There are a lot of people who don't try to keep up with Lojban List
anymore, including me.  (Much of the discussion is in Lojban, and I haven't
the time or fluency to even try.  And of the stuff that is in English, it
is pretty difficult to keep track of what are ideas and what stuff is
actually being worked on.

Agree. Newer services (like Reddit) seem to be getting attention, while the
mailing list drops in popularity. Some even don't want to use mail, for
some reason.

>
>
>>> LLG, the Lojban community organization, is attempting to get itself
>>
>> reactivated.  Alas, for several years it was dependent on one person,
>> Robin Powell, who ran the website but also ran byfy and was doing the
>> revision for CLL (the red book).
>>
>> Why is he no longer in?
>
>
> He has chosen to "drop out" at least for a while, so that he can work on
other interests.  (Beyond that, you will have to ask him directly.)

OK, that's all I want to know, thanks.

>
>>> There also has been discussion of a small quasi-competitive prize fund
>>
>> that would be a reward for the most significant contributions to the
>> community.   There would be periodic fixed-amount prizes in several
>> categories, funded from the LLG budget (as well as any donations
>> specifically for that purpose).   The details have to be discussed, and
>> I will urge the two outreachers to lead discussion on that topic.
>>
>> Hmm, the success of such funding depends on how it's organized. As I
>> mentioned earlier, it can make volunteers decline in number, in the
>> worst scenario.
>
>
> We've been thinking in terms of annual awards, chosen kinda like Nobel
Prizes.  So far as I know, such prizes are tangential to people actually
deciding to get involved in such activities.

That is a good idea.

>
> LLG can also use its budget to pay for actual expenses of projects, but
that would not be payment for services (we don't have anywhere near the
money to pay even one person at a salary level).

Even in such a low-budget case, funding projects with money, be it big or
small, is a good idea.

>
>
>> Yeah, it's a big problem. The concepts I mailed about and proposed over
>> a span of only a few months can't be counted on one's hands. On the
>> other hand, the number of those that were implemented can, even on one
hand.
>
>
> And to be honest, I don't know a single one of those, and in fact cannot
recall reading any postings of yours before today.

That's a bummer. Does that mean I shall make my topics more memorable? (Not
the topics themselves, but the ideas.)

>
> But let's see if that can change.  Not so much me keeping up (because I
can't anymore), but LLG in the form of my two outreach people.  Please
encourage them when they post.  We're rather new at this type of thing, and
need to find out what will work.

I'm doing that everytime. I feel like the interest is increasing, for about
a month. Hope that the changes in LLG will increase the increase.

>
> lojbab

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<p dir=3D"ltr"></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">On Aug 12, 2016 10:26 PM, &quot;Bob LeChevalier&quot; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 8/12/2016 4:02 PM, Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Probably because nobody has even heard of it.=C2=A0 This needs=
 to change.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Agreed; though it&#39;s hard not to look into a two-month thread.<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are a lot of people who don&#39;t try to keep up with Lojban Lis=
t anymore, including me.=C2=A0 (Much of the discussion is in Lojban, and I =
haven&#39;t the time or fluency to even try.=C2=A0 And of the stuff that is=
 in English, it is pretty difficult to keep track of what are ideas and wha=
t stuff is actually being worked on.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Agree. Newer services (like Reddit) seem to be getting atten=
tion, while the mailing list drops in popularity. Some even don&#39;t want =
to use mail, for some reason.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; LLG, the Lojban community organization, is attempting to get i=
tself<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; reactivated.=C2=A0 Alas, for several years it was dependent on one=
 person,<br>
&gt;&gt; Robin Powell, who ran the website but also ran byfy and was doing =
the<br>
&gt;&gt; revision for CLL (the red book).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Why is he no longer in?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; He has chosen to &quot;drop out&quot; at least for a while, so that he=
 can work on other interests.=C2=A0 (Beyond that, you will have to ask him =
directly.)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">OK, that&#39;s all I want to know, thanks.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; There also has been discussion of a small quasi-competitive pr=
ize fund<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; that would be a reward for the most significant contributions to t=
he<br>
&gt;&gt; community.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There would be periodic fixed-amount prizes=
 in several<br>
&gt;&gt; categories, funded from the LLG budget (as well as any donations<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; specifically for that purpose).=C2=A0 =C2=A0The details have to be=
 discussed, and<br>
&gt;&gt; I will urge the two outreachers to lead discussion on that topic.<=
br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hmm, the success of such funding depends on how it&#39;s organized=
. As I<br>
&gt;&gt; mentioned earlier, it can make volunteers decline in number, in th=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; worst scenario.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We&#39;ve been thinking in terms of annual awards, chosen kinda like N=
obel Prizes.=C2=A0 So far as I know, such prizes are tangential to people a=
ctually deciding to get involved in such activities.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">That is a good idea.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; LLG can also use its budget to pay for actual expenses of projects, bu=
t that would not be payment for services (we don&#39;t have anywhere near t=
he money to pay even one person at a salary level).</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Even in such a low-budget case, funding projects with money,=
 be it big or small, is a good idea.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Yeah, it&#39;s a big problem. The concepts I mailed about and prop=
osed over<br>
&gt;&gt; a span of only a few months can&#39;t be counted on one&#39;s hand=
s. On the<br>
&gt;&gt; other hand, the number of those that were implemented can, even on=
 one hand.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And to be honest, I don&#39;t know a single one of those, and in fact =
cannot recall reading any postings of yours before today.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s a bummer. Does that mean I shall make my topics m=
ore memorable? (Not the topics themselves, but the ideas.)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; But let&#39;s see if that can change.=C2=A0 Not so much me keeping up =
(because I can&#39;t anymore), but LLG in the form of my two outreach peopl=
e.=C2=A0 Please encourage them when they post.=C2=A0 We&#39;re rather new a=
t this type of thing, and need to find out what will work.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m doing that everytime. I feel like the interest is in=
creasing, for about a month. Hope that the changes in LLG will increase the=
 increase.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; lojbab</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94 mi&#39;e la uakci mu&#39;o</p>

<p></p>

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