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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:56:08 +0200
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I agree. ZmiFanva is a great idea, but it skips on the great opportunities
Lojban has: defined prepositions, and kind-of-a fill-in-the-blanks approach=
.

We can have (or generate, we already have the data needed) definitions like
(here for =C2=ABfanva=C2=BB):

translate: [translator] x1 * [translated text] x2 from[/source language] x3
to[/target language] x4 as[/result] x5

(The asterisk stands for the verb.)

Then, all of 'I translate this', 'I translate to Lojban', 'English is the
source language' and 'He translates with this result' could be easily fit
into the patterns above.

=E2=80=94 mi'e da kau mu'o =E2=80=94

On Aug 16, 2016 9:45 PM, "Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote=
:

>   This is a good attempt, but I think it unfortunately suffers from too
> small a corpus.  Also, one weird side effect of your method is that every
> "la" followed by a name that it doesn't recognize comes out translated as
> "Tom "+name (e.g "la ionas cu klama lo zarci" -> "Tom ionas is going to t=
he
> market".
>                --gejyspa
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Masato Hagiwara <hagisan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> coi ro do
>>
>> I'm happy to announce the Lojban =E2=86=94 English Machine Translation E=
ngine
>> zmifanva:
>>
>> http://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/
>>
>> This is a 'real' translation engine (as opposed to glossing), which is t=
o
>> try to give translation results that are as natural as possible.
>>
>> Let me know what you think :)
>>
>> co'o
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I agree. ZmiFanva is a great idea, but it skips on the great=
 opportunities Lojban has: defined prepositions, and kind-of-a fill-in-the-=
blanks approach.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">We can have (or generate, we already have the data needed) d=
efinitions like (here for =C2=ABfanva=C2=BB):</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">translate: [translator] x1 * [translated text] x2 from[/sour=
ce language] x3 to[/target language] x4 as[/result] x5</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">(The asterisk stands for the verb.)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Then, all of &#39;I translate this&#39;, &#39;I translate to=
 Lojban&#39;, &#39;English is the source language&#39; and &#39;He translat=
es with this result&#39; could be easily fit into the patterns above.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94 mi&#39;e da kau mu&#39;o =E2=80=94</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 16, 2016 9=
:45 PM, &quot;Michael Turniansky&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gm=
ail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 This is a good attempt, b=
ut I think it unfortunately suffers from too small a corpus.=C2=A0 Also, on=
e weird side effect of your method is that every &quot;la&quot; followed by=
 a name that it doesn&#39;t recognize comes out translated as &quot;Tom &qu=
ot;+name (e.g &quot;la ionas cu klama lo zarci&quot; -&gt; &quot;Tom ionas =
is going to the market&quot;.<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec =
25, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Masato Hagiwara <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:hagisan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hagisan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">coi ro do=C2=A0<div=
><br></div><div>I&#39;m happy to announce the Lojban=C2=A0=E2=86=94 English=
 Machine Translation Engine zmifanva:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"h=
ttp://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/" target=3D"_blank">http://lojban.lilyx.net=
/zmifan<wbr>va/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a &#39;real&#39; t=
ranslation engine (as opposed to glossing), which is to try to give transla=
tion results that are as natural as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>Let =
me know what you think :)</div><div><br></div><div>co&#39;o</div></div><spa=
n><font color=3D"#888888">

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