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> What sorts of help do you anticipate wanting/needing?

I am not knowledgeable about much of the history of Lojban and what has bee=
n tried/achieved already, so I would need someone(s) advising me.
I am not proficient at Lojban itself, at this stage.
I am not proficient at translation workflow, or at doing translations mysel=
f. Any recommendations from others (especially translators) would be apprec=
iated.
I would likely need assistance with any Lojban.org server systems administr=
ation.

I also need the explicitly defined design goals of the website, so nothing =
is missed.

My suggested shortlist is that the website should:

- advertise Lojban effectively
- provide accessible up-to-date resources for learning Lojban
- be up-to-date in translations for all target languages
- clarify the distinction between official and non-official information
- function as a centralised nexus for the community
- invite involvement in the community and connect Lojbanists
- make it easy to manage community projects
- have a low cognitive barrier-to-entry
- work easily on both desktop and mobile

From those goals, I would research to select (or build) a system that enabl=
es or automates protocols/workflows for achieving those goals.

I believe it's important to use software with a strict workflow from the st=
art, because humans are fallible and forgetful. This will ensure adherence =
to the goals never accidentally slips.

This is why I personally don't think a wiki is very suitable for official i=
nformation and maintaining concurrent translations.

If we have a list of persons who must approve new content, for example, the=
 system shouldn't allow it being published until everyone from that list ha=
s approved.

If we have a protocol to manage translations, it should be trivial to enfor=
ce that no single language version should be updated on the live website wi=
thout all target language versions being updated for the change. The system=
 should automatically notify the appropriate translation volunteers as new =
content is added, then wait for them before the new content can be committe=
d.

I have heard of .PO files being a popular, open-source format for translati=
ons, with an established workflow, but I have not used them.

Hope this helps,


mi'e la.timoteios.


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From: lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of karis =
<comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:19 PM
To: lojban
Subject: Re: [lojban] taking action

The Board discussed some of the problems with the current website situation=
, including difficulty identifying official vs not official material. I wou=
ld be happy to mention you are offering to work on the mess. What sorts of =
help do you anticipate wanting/needing?

karis

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<div><b>&gt; What sorts of help do you anticipate wanting/needing?</b></div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not knowledgeable about much of the history of Lojban and what ha=
s been tried/achieved already, so I would need someone(s) advising me.</div=
>
<div>I am not proficient at Lojban itself, at this stage.</div>
<div>I am not proficient at translation workflow, or at doing translations =
myself. Any recommendations from others (especially translators)&nbsp;would=
 be appreciated.</div>
<div>I would likely&nbsp;need assistance with any Lojban.org&nbsp;server&nb=
sp;systems administration.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also need&nbsp;the <span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helve=
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explicitly defined&nbsp;</span>design goals of the website, so nothing is m=
issed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My suggested shortlist is that the website should:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- advertise Lojban effectively</div>
<div>- provide accessible up-to-date resources for learning Lojban</div>
<div>- be up-to-date in translations for all target languages</div>
<div>- clarify the distinction between official and non-official informatio=
n</div>
<div>- function as a centralised nexus for the community</div>
<div>- invite involvement in the community and connect Lojbanists</div>
<div>- make it easy to manage community projects</div>
<div>- have a low cognitive&nbsp;barrier-to-entry</div>
<div>- work easily on both desktop and mobile</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From those goals, I would research to select (or build) a system that =
enables or automates protocols/workflows for achieving those goals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I believe it's important to use software with&nbsp;a strict workflow f=
rom the start, because humans are fallible and forgetful. This will ensure =
adherence to the goals never accidentally slips.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is why I personally don't think a wiki is very&nbsp;suitable&nbsp=
;for official information and&nbsp;maintaining concurrent translations.</di=
v>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">If we have a list of persons who=
 must approve new content<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvet=
ica, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,=
 NotoColorEmoji, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Android Emoji&quot;, Em=
ojiSymbols; font-size: 13.3333px;">,
 for example</span>, the system&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 13.33=
33px;">should</span><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">n't allow it bein=
g published until everyone from that list has approved.</span><br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<div>If we have a protocol to manage translations, it should be trivial to =
enforce that no single language version should be updated on the live websi=
te without all target language versions being updated for the change. The s=
ystem should automatically notify
 the appropriate translation volunteers as new content is added, then wait =
for them&nbsp;before the new content can be committed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have heard of .PO files being a popular, open-source format for tran=
slations, with an established workflow, but I have not used them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hope this helps,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
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mi'e la.timoteios.<br>
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> lojban@googlegroups=
.com &lt;lojban@googlegroups.com&gt; on behalf of karis &lt;comcaresvcs@gma=
il.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> lojban<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [lojban] taking action</font>
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 the mess. What sorts of help do you
 anticipate wanting/needing?<br>
<br>
karis<br>
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