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From: uakci <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:08:16 +0200
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I propose that it be a plain HTML site, constantly synchronizing to a
Github repository which, in turn, will be connected to workflow
organization utility.

~ mi'e co'a se tolzdi be lo nu cusku lu mi'e la uakci mu'o li'u .e lo simsa
be ri do'u mu'o ~

On Aug 18, 2016 6:02 AM, "Timothy Lawrence" <
timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

> *> What sorts of help do you anticipate wanting/needing?*
>
> I am not knowledgeable about much of the history of Lojban and what has
> been tried/achieved already, so I would need someone(s) advising me.
> I am not proficient at Lojban itself, at this stage.
> I am not proficient at translation workflow, or at doing translations
> myself. Any recommendations from others (especially translators) would be
> appreciated.
> I would likely need assistance with any Lojban.org server systems
> administration.
>
> I also need the explicitly defined design goals of the website, so
> nothing is missed.
>
> My suggested shortlist is that the website should:
>
> - advertise Lojban effectively
> - provide accessible up-to-date resources for learning Lojban
> - be up-to-date in translations for all target languages
> - clarify the distinction between official and non-official information
> - function as a centralised nexus for the community
> - invite involvement in the community and connect Lojbanists
> - make it easy to manage community projects
> - have a low cognitive barrier-to-entry
> - work easily on both desktop and mobile
>
> From those goals, I would research to select (or build) a system that
> enables or automates protocols/workflows for achieving those goals.
>
> I believe it's important to use software with a strict workflow from the
> start, because humans are fallible and forgetful. This will ensure
> adherence to the goals never accidentally slips.
>
> This is why I personally don't think a wiki is very suitable for official
> information and maintaining concurrent translations.
>
> If we have a list of persons who must approve new content, for example,
> the system shouldn't allow it being published until everyone from that
> list has approved.
>
> If we have a protocol to manage translations, it should be trivial to
> enforce that no single language version should be updated on the live
> website without all target language versions being updated for the change.
> The system should automatically notify the appropriate translation
> volunteers as new content is added, then wait for them before the new
> content can be committed.
>
> I have heard of .PO files being a popular, open-source format for
> translations, with an established workflow, but I have not used them.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> mi'e la.timoteios.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
> karis <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:19 PM
> *To:* lojban
> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] taking action
>
> The Board discussed some of the problems with the current website
> situation, including difficulty identifying official vs not official
> material. I would be happy to mention you are offering to work on the mess.
> What sorts of help do you anticipate wanting/needing?
>
> karis
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I propose that it be a plain HTML site, constantly synchroni=
zing to a Github repository which, in turn, will be connected to workflow o=
rganization utility.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">~ mi&#39;e co&#39;a se tolzdi be lo nu cusku lu mi&#39;e la =
uakci mu&#39;o li&#39;u .e lo simsa be ri do&#39;u mu&#39;o ~</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 18, 2016 6=
:02 AM, &quot;Timothy Lawrence&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:timothy.lawrence=
@connect.qut.edu.au">timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p></p>
<div><b>&gt; What sorts of help do you anticipate wanting/needing?</b></div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not knowledgeable about much of the history of Lojban and what ha=
s been tried/achieved already, so I would need someone(s) advising me.</div=
>
<div>I am not proficient at Lojban itself, at this stage.</div>
<div>I am not proficient at translation workflow, or at doing translations =
myself. Any recommendations from others (especially translators)=C2=A0would=
 be appreciated.</div>
<div>I would likely=C2=A0need assistance with any Lojban.org=C2=A0server=C2=
=A0systems administration.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also need=C2=A0the <span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif,&quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,NotoC=
olorEmoji,&quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;,&quot;Android Emoji&quot;,EmojiSymbol=
s;font-size:13.3333px">
explicitly defined=C2=A0</span>design goals of the website, so nothing is m=
issed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My suggested shortlist is that the website should:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- advertise Lojban effectively</div>
<div>- provide accessible up-to-date resources for learning Lojban</div>
<div>- be up-to-date in translations for all target languages</div>
<div>- clarify the distinction between official and non-official informatio=
n</div>
<div>- function as a centralised nexus for the community</div>
<div>- invite involvement in the community and connect Lojbanists</div>
<div>- make it easy to manage community projects</div>
<div>- have a low cognitive=C2=A0barrier-to-entry</div>
<div>- work easily on both desktop and mobile</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From those goals, I would research to select (or build) a system that =
enables or automates protocols/workflows for achieving those goals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I believe it&#39;s important to use software with=C2=A0a strict workfl=
ow from the start, because humans are fallible and forgetful. This will ens=
ure adherence to the goals never accidentally slips.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is why I personally don&#39;t think a wiki is very=C2=A0suitable=
=C2=A0for official information and=C2=A0maintaining concurrent translations=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">If we have a list of persons who m=
ust approve new content<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,s=
ans-serif,&quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,NotoColo=
rEmoji,&quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;,&quot;Android Emoji&quot;,EmojiSymbols;f=
ont-size:13.3333px">,
 for example</span>, the system=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:13.333=
3px">should</span><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">n&#39;t allow it bein=
g published until everyone from that list has approved.</span><br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<div>If we have a protocol to manage translations, it should be trivial to =
enforce that no single language version should be updated on the live websi=
te without all target language versions being updated for the change. The s=
ystem should automatically notify
 the appropriate translation volunteers as new content is added, then wait =
for them=C2=A0before the new content can be committed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have heard of .PO files being a popular, open-source format for tran=
slations, with an established workflow, but I have not used them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hope this helps,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.333=
3px">
mi&#39;e la.timoteios.<br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p></p>
<br>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban=
@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of karis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:comcaresvcs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>comcaresvcs@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> lojban<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [lojban] taking action</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</div>
<font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">
<div>The Board discussed some of the problems with the current website situ=
ation, including difficulty identifying official vs not official material. =
I would be happy to mention you are offering to work on the mess. What sort=
s of help do you
 anticipate wanting/needing?<br>
<br>
karis<br>
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