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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y7si341141wmd.0.2016.08.19.04.17.17 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::231; Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id b199so30589602lfe.0 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.46.5.23 with SMTP id 23mr1981857ljf.64.1471605436915; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:17:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.3.203 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.3.203 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 04:17:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5b1e2b9d-6f69-48b3-b1e2-8350e0e623ed@googlegroups.com> From: uakci Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:17:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Old Wiki To: mriste Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148d31e5123e3053a6ad716 X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ciuak.prog@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1148d31e5123e3053a6ad716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah, one can ask the Googlebot to index a given page. I think. On Aug 19, 2016 1:14 PM, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > 2016-08-19 14:08 GMT+03:00 uakci : > >> Let's try that anyway; if any undesirable side effects come, we can >> revert it. >> > > it will take months > > >> On Aug 19, 2016 12:58 PM, wrote: >> >>> just a note. the old addresses of tiki do redirect to the new wiki. >>> After the move Tiki started being served at a new address. >>> What happened here is that Google understood that the redirect had >>> happened to the new wiki but nevertheless indexed the old wiki at the n= ew >>> address too. >>> >>> Why tiki in some cases still higher in search results than the new wiki >>> is a complete mystery to me. anyway removing it from index won't mean i= t >>> will be replaced by addresses of the new wiki. falling down of search >>> positions of *.lojban.org in general is one possible outcome. >>> >>> Em quinta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2016 13:38:56 UTC+3, la uakci escreveu= : >>>> >>>> On Aug 18, 2016 12:36 PM, "Johannes L=C3=B6thberg" >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > On Aug 18, 2016 12:32, "uakci" wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Hi. >>>> > > >>>> > > As Gleki pointed out at some point, the old wiki still observes >>>> some traffic, and most of that is from search results. >>>> > > >>>> > > I propose that, in order to redirect that traffic to the new wiki, >>>> the old sites will have a noindex tag, making them disappear from the >>>> search results. >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > Might want to get a list of the most popular ones and set up a 301 >>>> redirect to the proper article on the new wiki so that useful articles= are >>>> still easy to find. >>>> >>>> Hmm, didn't all of the old pages make it to the new wiki? 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Nah, one can ask the Googlebot to index a given page. I thin= k.


On Aug 19, 2016 1= :14 PM, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-08-19 14:08 GMT+03:00 uakci <c= iuak.prog@gmail.com>:

Let's try that anyway; if any undesirable side effects come, = we can revert it.


it will take months= =C2=A0


On Aug 19, = 2016 12:58 PM, <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
=
just a note. t= he old addresses of tiki do redirect to the new wiki. After the move Tiki s= tarted being served at a new address.
What happened here is that Google= understood that the redirect had happened to the new wiki but nevertheless= indexed the old wiki at the new address too.

Why = tiki in some cases still higher in search results than the new wiki is a co= mplete mystery to me. anyway removing it from index won't mean it will = be replaced by addresses of the new wiki. falling down of search positions = of *.lojban.org in gene= ral is one possible outcome.

Em quinta-feira, 18 de agosto de 2016 1= 3:38:56 UTC+3, la uakci escreveu:

On Aug 18, 2016 12:36 PM, "Johannes L=C3=B6thberg"= <demi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 18, 2016 12:32, "uakci" <ciuak= ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > As Gleki pointed out at some point, the old wiki still observes s= ome traffic, and most of that is from search results.
> >
> > I propose that, in order to redirect that traffic to the new wiki= , the old sites will have a noindex tag, making them disappear from the sea= rch results.
> >
>
> Might want to get a list of the most popular ones and set up a 301 red= irect to the proper article on the new wiki so that useful articles are sti= ll easy to find.

Hmm, didn't all of the old pages make it to the new wiki= ? If not, we could set up redirects on the pages that were moved, but leave= the others.

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