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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:00:39 +0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] elidable terminators and ambiguity
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Nah, it doesn't work that way. First, =C2=ABmi noi le mlatu sisku cu sipna=
=C2=BB
parses successfully. It means 'Me, whom the cat sleeps' (whatever the idea
of a sleeped thing is). Second, Lojban doesn't have this notion of 'if this
happens, then that doesn't parse'. If your =C2=ABku=C2=BB hasn't been close=
d, the
=C2=ABle=C2=BB will eat more than you want it to, even at the occasional co=
sts of not
parsing.

~ uakci

On Sep 1, 2016 8:15 PM, <vpbroman@gmail.com> wrote:

> The {cu} is not elidable, it is optional, but leaving it in tends to make
> a lot of other things elidable.
>
> The reason that {ku} should be elidable (based on the rule) is that there
> is unambiguously only one place that the required {ku} could occupy.
> The phrase {mlatu sisku} can not be a tanru because {noi},{kuho} must
> enclose a bridi, and {le mlatu sisku ku keha vau} is not a bridi.
> That clause no verb.
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 4:02:51 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
>>
>> The reason you can't leave out {ku} in {le mlatu ku sisku} is because it
>> is already omitting {cu}. The longest form of this phrase would be {le
>> mlatu ku cu sisku}. Most people pretty much always omit either {ku} or
>> {cu}, but you need at least one between the x1 and the selbri.
>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Nah, it doesn&#39;t work that way. First, =C2=ABmi noi le ml=
atu sisku cu sipna=C2=BB parses successfully. It means &#39;Me, whom the ca=
t sleeps&#39; (whatever the idea of a sleeped thing is). Second, Lojban doe=
sn&#39;t have this notion of &#39;if this happens, then that doesn&#39;t pa=
rse&#39;. If your =C2=ABku=C2=BB hasn&#39;t been closed, the =C2=ABle=C2=BB=
 will eat more than you want it to, even at the occasional costs of not par=
sing.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">~ uakci</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 1, 2016 8:=
15 PM,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vpbroman@gmail.com">vpbroman@gmail.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">The {cu} is not elidable, it is optional, but leaving it in tends to =
make a lot of other things elidable.<br><br>The reason that {ku} should be =
elidable (based on the rule) is that there is unambiguously only one place =
that the required {ku} could occupy.<br>The phrase {mlatu sisku} can not be=
 a tanru because {noi},{kuho} must enclose a bridi, and {le mlatu sisku ku =
keha vau} is not a bridi.<br>That clause no verb. <br><br>On Friday, August=
 26, 2016 at 4:02:51 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The reason you can&#39;t leave out {ku} in {le ml=
atu ku sisku} is because it is already omitting {cu}. The longest form of t=
his phrase would be {le mlatu ku cu sisku}. Most people pretty much always =
omit either {ku} or {cu}, but you need at least one between the x1 and the =
selbri.<br><br></div></blockquote></div>

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