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Could we just add a channel to the existing Mumble server for new speakers 
that is a mix of English and Lojban? I'd love to practice speaking but it's 
a bit intimidating to go to all Lojban-or-nothing at my level.

On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 8:03:27 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
>
> On 02.09.2016 01:19, suzanys wrote: 
> > 
> >     I think a more formalised/explicit/organised mentoring process might 
> >     help bring the community closer together. It might help retain more 
> >     learners and form more invested friendships. 
> > 
> > 
> > That's a great idea! As a new learner, it'd be great to have someone to 
> > help introduce and integrate me into the community. Maybe another 
> > approach would be to pair new learners together. I'm not sure which 
> > would work better! 
>
> We could try both. 
>
> I suppose the latter approach would include maintaining a list of people 
> currently learning (preferably along with their geographic location) so 
> we don't have to go asking around for a matching study partner whenever 
> a new person "finds us". 
>
> Mentoring is a great concept - in theory. Sadly I often spend a lot of 
> effort introducing a newcomer to the language (teaching grammar, giving 
> learning advice, supplying useful links) only to find them never return. 
> It seems to me that people stick around if they want to, and it doesn't 
> matter much (generally, though there are of course counter-examples) how 
> much you try to help them. If they care about the language they will 
> stay and keep studying, and if they never cared that much, no amount of 
> mentoring, motivating, supporting, will make them stay. I do not have 
> enough fingers on my hands and feet combined to count the people who 
> seemed like they were serious about the language and then dropped off 
> the face of the earth despite having made good progress and having 
> received plenty of help and encouragement. 
>
> I don't believe this is a phenomenon that is specific to the Lojban 
> community. It is, however, one that the Lojban community suffers from. 
>
> > In addition, I would absolutely love having a voice chat room available 
> > (like TeamSpeak or Mumble) which wasn't solely in Lojban. I wanted to 
> > participate in the Sunday chats, but I got the feeling that they'd 
> > mostly just be in Lojban with experienced speakers. Having an open voice 
> > chat room is a low-investment way to practice speaking Lojban for the 
> > new dweebs like me. It's more personal than IRC and might be good for 
> > building up the community. It's pretty low-investment either way. 
>
> Oh yes, definitely. selckiku did that a bunch of times, and I remember 
> tsani teaching menturi via Mumble, and I taught a few people there as 
> well, but it was always spontaneous. 
>
> We did try establishing a habit of being on Mumble everyday, but it kind 
> of fizzled out. When nobody else joins for days or weeks it starts to 
> look pointless. 
>
> There's also the very real problem that almost all of the most 
> experienced speakers now live in Europe, so time zone differences start 
> to matter. 
>
> Any ideas how to improve the situation? 
>
> ~~~mi'e la selpa'i 
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Could we just add a channel to the existing Mumble server =
for new speakers that is a mix of English and Lojban? I&#39;d love to pract=
ice speaking but it&#39;s a bit intimidating to go to all Lojban-or-nothing=
 at my level.<br><br>On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 8:03:27 AM UTC-4, selp=
a&#39;i wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On 02.09.2016 01=
:19, suzanys wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think a more formalised/explicit/organised mentori=
ng process might
<br>&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 help bring the community closer together. It might h=
elp retain more
<br>&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 learners and form more invested friendships.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; That&#39;s a great idea! As a new learner, it&#39;d be great to ha=
ve someone to
<br>&gt; help introduce and integrate me into the community. Maybe another
<br>&gt; approach would be to pair new learners together. I&#39;m not sure =
which
<br>&gt; would work better!
<br>
<br>We could try both.
<br>
<br>I suppose the latter approach would include maintaining a list of peopl=
e=20
<br>currently learning (preferably along with their geographic location) so=
=20
<br>we don&#39;t have to go asking around for a matching study partner when=
ever=20
<br>a new person &quot;finds us&quot;.
<br>
<br>Mentoring is a great concept - in theory. Sadly I often spend a lot of=
=20
<br>effort introducing a newcomer to the language (teaching grammar, giving=
=20
<br>learning advice, supplying useful links) only to find them never return=
.=20
<br>It seems to me that people stick around if they want to, and it doesn&#=
39;t=20
<br>matter much (generally, though there are of course counter-examples) ho=
w=20
<br>much you try to help them. If they care about the language they will=20
<br>stay and keep studying, and if they never cared that much, no amount of=
=20
<br>mentoring, motivating, supporting, will make them stay. I do not have=
=20
<br>enough fingers on my hands and feet combined to count the people who=20
<br>seemed like they were serious about the language and then dropped off=
=20
<br>the face of the earth despite having made good progress and having=20
<br>received plenty of help and encouragement.
<br>
<br>I don&#39;t believe this is a phenomenon that is specific to the Lojban=
=20
<br>community. It is, however, one that the Lojban community suffers from.
<br>
<br>&gt; In addition, I would absolutely love having a voice chat room avai=
lable
<br>&gt; (like TeamSpeak or Mumble) which wasn&#39;t solely in Lojban. I wa=
nted to
<br>&gt; participate in the Sunday chats, but I got the feeling that they&#=
39;d
<br>&gt; mostly just be in Lojban with experienced speakers. Having an open=
 voice
<br>&gt; chat room is a low-investment way to practice speaking Lojban for =
the
<br>&gt; new dweebs like me. It&#39;s more personal than IRC and might be g=
ood for
<br>&gt; building up the community. It&#39;s pretty low-investment either w=
ay.
<br>
<br>Oh yes, definitely. selckiku did that a bunch of times, and I remember=
=20
<br>tsani teaching menturi via Mumble, and I taught a few people there as=
=20
<br>well, but it was always spontaneous.
<br>
<br>We did try establishing a habit of being on Mumble everyday, but it kin=
d=20
<br>of fizzled out. When nobody else joins for days or weeks it starts to=
=20
<br>look pointless.
<br>
<br>There&#39;s also the very real problem that almost all of the most=20
<br>experienced speakers now live in Europe, so time zone differences start=
=20
<br>to matter.
<br>
<br>Any ideas how to improve the situation?
<br>
<br>~~~mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i
<br>
<br></blockquote></div>

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