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[98.139.212.155]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m82si391228ywm.2.2016.09.09.18.15.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Sep 2016 18:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.212.155 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.212.155; Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2016 01:15:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.197] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2016 01:15:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2016 01:15:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 617557.79539.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cDke1FYVM1m_vJI6VmV729da3G50vQ2d3w8PYvSwRF7me.5 cvqvDVTnSPbCbpAO90YDW.a3WObki70yZu0Q3pL1pIV9.Jbw_yMnJtXyREeC bg616feNpd5QLKtC3zt_._33zmomnPs_DOJIhpPPmopMp0Me_h8P3jeXISZ. m76rf__mByakQRIMtomCqb94k3MFuqO8a7tKALlFxAgNomw8jBmIsU.u6Pda Xxq55ntNjI7ZAb87h2.LoIe0sC0sbSQltIoG_5HZ9r0D.7wC91MLQVChfdqn DwqWEEeINGJUTjkw03a1SkuFTUpe7q8Zkqen4d_qYW1PSzdSFimt5z6cbtNw L_PQzlM5uB7bVrsr.VmmrQnjOMNHLCIiRvkp4AIRsRgdX4mtNoTnUf0e2Nfe 9CxQ1lv2E4e.4oEQTl1_sJMY6U1hqd_YA3Oi0.ZcCnOu7XcOQPfAOhuA1WzV m6F1Wh_VWyd5VBsjvEDKswPYp8tiiXiTk6tXdc3kdjkWaSvSHdr.mmtM8Ng_ tZAANCe_oQbg4AzyNYA5XTQPZMTbNVuzDGVddLkxwDbvuF22LRbMYHjw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: xvGyF4GswBCIFKGaxf5wSjlg3RF108g- From: "'John Clifford' via lojban" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: taking action Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 20:15:03 -0500 References: <7df6483a-9439-40db-9ae1-1b90496f0d6f@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13F69) X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.212.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com X-Original-From: John Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / He's right, of course. It should be much simpler. But Lojban inherited a l= ot from Loglan, including all the mistakes JCB made in the first few days. = The result has been a 60year quest to get back what was thrown away and th= at quest has taken the form of countless incremental adjustments, rather th= an scrapping the whole thing and starting from just before the first mistak= es. Lojban did also jettison some things Loglan had right, but these were l= ess significant. pycyn, who was there before the creation. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2016, at 6:31 PM, karis wrote: >=20 > Bremenli, >=20 > You said: >=20 > Sketching what the language specifications and requirements must have bee= n to come up with the language we got. > I'm figuring out whether a better morphophonology could have met the requ= irements. It should be much simpler. >=20 > Have you asked lojbab? He understands the process and the specifications = because hewas part of its creation. >=20 > karis >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.