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As a new learner, it'd be great to have someone to h= elp introduce and integrate me into the community. What sort of questions should we ask people in order to pair them up? I am = thinking language, interests and location, at least. I would be happy to help coordinate this a little; in the future, we could = automate it - this is Lojban, after all! > Maybe another approach would be to pair new learners together. I'm not su= re which would work better! We can experiment and see what works :) Perhaps we could mainly aim to pair by shared interests/location as best as= possible, which will usually pair up learners, but also ensure they both h= ave a more experienced mentor "just in case"? ________________________________ From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of suzany= s Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 9:19 AM To: lojban Subject: [lojban] Re: taking action I think a more formalised/explicit/organised mentoring process might help b= ring the community closer together. It might help retain more learners and = form more invested friendships. That's a great idea! As a new learner, it'd be great to have someone to hel= p introduce and integrate me into the community. Maybe another approach wou= ld be to pair new learners together. I'm not sure which would work better! In addition, I would absolutely love having a voice chat room available (li= ke TeamSpeak or Mumble) which wasn't solely in Lojban. I wanted to particip= ate in the Sunday chats, but I got the feeling that they'd mostly just be i= n Lojban with experienced speakers. Having an open voice chat room is a low= -investment way to practice speaking Lojban for the new dweebs like me. It'= s more personal than IRC and might be good for building up the community. I= t's pretty low-investment either way. On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:00:43 PM UTC-4, la uakci wrote: Hi there. I'm recently worried too much about that not much is currently happening. I= imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where people do lots of tr= anslations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite: a place where= everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it= . Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose s= omething that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for = people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to= start a community project would be welcome. I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I th= ink it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be com= pleted within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of Lojb= an/English every day. I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not jus= t a random arrangement of people with their own lives. One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive Story? 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> That's a great idea! As a new learner, it'd be great to have s= omeone to help introduce and integrate me into the community.

What sort of questions should we ask people in order to pair them up? I am = thinking language, interests and location, at least.

I would be happy to help coordinate this a little; in the future, we could = automate it - this is Lojban, after all!


> Maybe another approach would be to pair new learners together. I'm = not sure which would work better!


We can experiment and see what works :)


Perhaps we could mainly aim to pair by shared interests/location as best= as possible, which will usually pair up learners, but also ensure they bot= h have a more experienced mentor "just in case"?




From: lojban@googlegroups= .com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of suzanys <susannah.j.d@= gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 9:19 AM
To: lojban
Subject: [lojban] Re: taking action
 

I think a more formalised/e= xplicit/organised mentoring process might help bring the community closer t= ogether. It might help retain more learners and form more invested friendships.=

That's a great idea! As a new learner, it'd be great to have someone t= o help introduce and integrate me into the community. Maybe another approac= h would be to pair new learners together. I'm not sure which would work bet= ter!

In addition, I would absolutely love having a voice chat room availabl= e (like TeamSpeak or Mumble) which wasn't solely in Lojban. I wanted to par= ticipate in the Sunday chats, but I got the feeling that they'd mostly just= be in Lojban with experienced speakers. Having an open voice chat room is a low-investment way to practice speakin= g Lojban for the new dweebs like me. It's more personal than IRC and might = be good for building up the community. It's pretty low-investment either wa= y.

On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:00:43 PM UTC-4, la uakci wrote:

Hi there.

I'm recently worried too much about that not much is current= ly happening. I imagine a perfect Lojbanic community as a place where peopl= e do lots of translations and projects and such. What I see is the opposite= : a place where everyone is stingy about helping, talking, writing, and complains about it.
Up to this point, this email really IS a complaint; now I want to propose s= omething that would solve the problem. I think there should be a place for = people to volunteer to other projects. Everyone that needs help or wants to= start a community project would be welcome.
I'm utterly amazed about the Crash Course: it's a one man project, and I th= ink it's worth recognition and work from others. Most projects could be com= pleted within a few days or weeks if every Lojbanist wrote one line of Lojb= an/English every day.
I'd like to work on some way to make the community more active, and not jus= t a random arrangement of people with their own lives.

One last question: why does nobody develop the Interactive S= tory? Please add something to it.

— mi'e la uakci mu'o

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