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What did you expect to happen?


Lojban serves no purpose as a scientifi= c endeavor since the Sapir-Worf Hypothesis has been discredited by other me= ans. It serves no purpose as a machine interlanguage because artificial int= elligence projects are focusing on natural language processing. It serves little purpose as spoken logic beca= use it can't handle more complex or "interesting" logics. And it has never, despite some people= 's desires, been suited as an international auxiliary language.


Lojban is a hobby language with an aging community that has little time for hobbies. 


If anything, this is a sign that w= e need to begin a new logical language that learns from the failures of the = Loglan and Lojban projects.

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