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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w79si722338wmw.0.2016.09.12.08.42.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::231; Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id a6so60500283wmc.0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.54.165 with SMTP id k5mr290473wjp.36.1473694938326; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.175.194 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.80.175.194 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <07b91787-b69f-ea70-4015-8ae40e17297e@gmx.de> From: Ian Johnson Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: BPFK has approved cmavo swaps To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70cd24e6c34053c5157fb X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=blindbravado@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb70cd24e6c34053c5157fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It has been a dialect colloquially referred to as ce ki tau jau for a while now. On Sep 12, 2016 11:35 AM, "Remo Dentato" wrote: > Oh! I see. I guess this has been done to assign shorter cmavo to the more > frequently used meaning. > > I had not seen any discussion about this topic, but I'm probably at fault > here not having much time to work on lojbanic stuff. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > >> I think the idea is to swap them, so that e.g. the ma'oste meaning of >> {ki} is obtained by using {ke'a}. >> >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> On Sep 12, 2016 11:27 AM, "Remo Dentato" wrote: >> >>> What about the old cmavo? Are they just to be considered "deprecated" or >>> will they be assigned a new meaning? >>> >>> I guess this change will be documented in jbovlaste (at least), right? >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:49 PM, suzanys wrote: >>> >>>> What is the motivation for this change? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:13:13 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Just letting you know that BPFK has finally decided to switch some >>>>> cmavo >>>>> around. {ce'u} becomes {ce}, {ke'a} becomes {ki}, {tu'a} becomes >>>>> {tau}, >>>>> and {su'o} becomes {su}. >>>>> >>>>> We also moved to other mediums of communication, because the BPFK list >>>>> format was just too cumbersome. Text and voice chat proved more >>>>> efficient. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever. >>>>> >>>>> ~~~mi'e la selpa'i >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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It has been a dialect colloquially referred to as ce ki tau = jau for a while now.


On Sep 12, 2016 1= 1:35 AM, "Remo Dentato" <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh! I see. I guess this has been done = to assign shorter cmavo to the more frequently used meaning.

I= had not seen any discussion about this topic, but I'm probably at faul= t here not having much time to work on lojbanic stuff.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 5:3= 1 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

I think the idea is to swap the= m, so that e.g. the ma'oste meaning of {ki} is obtained by using {ke= 9;a}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Sep 12, 2016 1= 1:27 AM, "Remo Dentato" <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the old cmavo?= Are they just to be considered "deprecated" or will they be assi= gned a new meaning?

I guess this change will be documented in jbovla= ste (at least), right?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:49 PM, suzanys <susannah.j= .d@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the motivation for this change?


On Mond= ay, September 12, 2016 at 10:13:13 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
Just letting you know that BPFK has finally dec= ided to switch some cmavo=20
around. {ce'u} becomes {ce}, {ke'a} becomes {ki}, {tu'a} be= comes {tau},=20
and {su'o} becomes {su}.

We also moved to other mediums of communication, because the BPFK list= =20
format was just too cumbersome. Text and voice chat proved more efficie= nt.

Whatever.

~~~mi'e la selpa'i

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