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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b1si419384wmg.0.2016.09.13.05.08.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Sep 2016 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.128] ([217.246.167.130]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MY7ZA-1bWUqU3v2e-00Uno0 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:08:14 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] BPFK has approved cmavo swaps To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <07b91787-b69f-ea70-4015-8ae40e17297e@gmx.de> From: selpahi Message-ID: <141d21c1-9421-2e8f-2ad6-2056e507f49c@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:08:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <07b91787-b69f-ea70-4015-8ae40e17297e@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VDY2NTwtqKo99Eq+2R1KID96zcS12ydwJ2S21SVKrPYiK5osYHg bPpYmfpTTJgE8R6VLkphEujLdn9T8sQR4HQazgmcO76iVSfYaJUh+SBUaIEFjH2vLo99sX/ KBF+XgYqlRbwQK8aF1HOTkE942TDISdigO84u70dSDi/4awyjsR4nFI5sB5g42L8xzA5iBO 38H9yTVvC9EjpH9aYZhKg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:LQxMsQzFCAw=:BjEwOVV7jbuZUIquS0jD9e LH7jDJrXSEsQZSgjTVT2AUD2NDlRl7JV44tHNxHlPtSGcfV1xSYObgk6E6xGmfPWSGbUj14kU a1Eryn9ko7wMDC3Y6WXRShqocivsy3448be97c/hsIlzyl87zkVHC+ubck/v0y3B5EoIZNsZ9 DSwExhiKVypJjxDnpeHaEXB6E6zvi9LJpU0FdeeRZksV9FtFQCdhJ/8/hiZLmKA/8UzF/2rLO 6SlPQvDB5z0WXzPk+y5smnsaTxVEWkok06WiNc23Aw94TDK2Tigb7DiwfZudyhDM7x36+dGpG Su/RksXQYZTtkinumnjo+wUBCFk+2dGJJSVbxBQA1iY3oobgpve5GmSwa0zup/8R7cDc0rwUj PVvy/xOBqd17DrOcEiTDXq8spzmKMybVgubnOPERgES+dT6oGsJeHYI3vRQERiDOeW0Cd2WFs F9TelGnLWv5/wnzT/Se1m8bKLLsyvx80bB1ZFdL0bgipiVKOtxj07TuGbwdts6OU+saLOL/V3 0oTJeMAWb/kyYycGScWL4cem2NW2/95OO6PnTNFwSdhryfBVbguzlugoddh+SSOvT4XcpBkvD evQ1HyFe8405ILFh2On+XIoqlGzty0mQ+FmPZvImXd61+ho+y7Wt4rzxCRjPBoc8AtJHELkCD lf57ntfGl2n54s9C7fefGj0swC+M4ga55zjoejpuh8OYlaWnQ5p5mqvYW0q76SEqcyurhTkOW MgmPVZ0Rm+VbwTcrRL8dMsWke9ZfZh6USXE+gtTLCig0AfiGPJ8RyOK9wGZvEsrFcvn4ZQqZV yzh7fG0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - It's time to clear this up. I was joking (though I was and am in no way amused). Nothing new has been approved by the BPFK. I was just trying to see if anyone was still paying attention to the mailing list. A few people have responded, and I'm happy to see that the responses were very mature, but most people seem to simply ignore everything that happens. Many people only ever speak up when they have something to complain about (usually whenever something appears to be changing). Why do none of those people ever participate in anything constructive? Why has everyone been ignoring la uakci's many attempts at getting the community to participate in things like his interactive story or the weekly poems? How hard is it to respond with "Nice work, I'm looking forward to the next issue"? You managed to frustrate them so much that they have now left the mailing list. la uakci is one of the most promising new jbopre in the world, and it is a terrible choice to ignore their efforts and risk losing them because they receive nothing in return. la uakci's situation is but one of many similar occurences, all of which seem to say nothing but "We don't care about what you do with Lojban and we don't do anything with it ourselves either, but don't you dare allow anything to change". If you keep ignoring valuable people, you have no right to be surprised when they leave and take their talents elsewhere. Don't complain later when you didn't realize that Lojban changed right under your nose but you never cared to look. la uakci will keep producing Lojban content but you will no longer get to see it. Lojban belongs in the hands of those who act, and sadly, you are not one of them. Why aren't you? And why spoil it for those who actually care? ~~~mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.