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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:33:59 -0700
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>  most people seem to simply ignore everything that happens.
>
> Many people only ever speak up when they have something to complain about
> (usually whenever something appears to be changing). Why do none of those
> people ever participate in anything constructive? Why has everyone been
> ignoring la uakci's many attempts at getting the community to participate
> in things like his interactive story or the weekly poems?


I read the mailing lists, and I enjoy the practice of reading content in
Lojban. However I am not confident in my ability to produce *correct*
lojban, and so feel a bit of an imposter. Thus: I lurk.

It's a problem I've had both in learning Lojban and German. Learning to
produce (write/speak) the language is a completely different skillset than
learning to understand it, and requires a lot of feedback and corrections.
Neither of the mailing lists are the place for that sort of content, nor a
particularly good medium. Were I to contribute content in lojban for
poems/newsletters it would place a significant editing burden on somebody,
as I'm simply not up to that level of fluency yet on the creation side.

(Solving this problem seems non-trivial. I've considered doing some
software development to create a better workflow for, say, posting a blog
in the language you're learning and easily allowing others to
comment/correct specific parts, but in order to be valuable you need the
community of fluent speakers to dedicate time to making
corrections/comments reliably, and I'm not sure if Lojban has the critical
mass to make it worth developing.)

I appreciate the content! It's wonderful! Were there a "upvote" button on
email I would utilize it, but I agree with Timothy Lawrence that it's an
email/mailing-list etiquette issue. More content to learn from is *always*
appreciated though, for the record! :-)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0most people seem to simply ignore ever=
ything that happens.<br>
<br>
Many people only ever speak up when they have something to complain about (=
usually whenever something appears to be changing). Why do none of those pe=
ople ever participate in anything constructive? Why has everyone been ignor=
ing la uakci&#39;s many attempts at getting the community to participate in=
 things like his interactive story or the weekly poems? </blockquote><div><=
br><br></div><div>I read the mailing lists, and I enjoy the practice of rea=
ding content in Lojban. However I am not confident in my ability to produce=
 *correct* lojban, and so feel a bit of an imposter. Thus: I lurk. <br><br>=
</div><div>It&#39;s a problem I&#39;ve had both in learning Lojban and Germ=
an. Learning to produce (write/speak) the language is a completely differen=
t skillset than learning to understand it, and requires a lot of feedback a=
nd corrections. Neither of the mailing lists are the place for that sort of=
 content, nor a particularly good medium. Were I to contribute content in l=
ojban for poems/newsletters it would place a significant editing burden on =
somebody, as I&#39;m simply not up to that level of fluency yet on the crea=
tion side. <br><br>(Solving this problem seems non-trivial. I&#39;ve consid=
ered doing some software development to create a better workflow for, say, =
posting a blog in the language you&#39;re learning and easily allowing othe=
rs to comment/correct specific parts, but in order to be valuable you need =
the community of fluent speakers to dedicate time to making corrections/com=
ments reliably, and I&#39;m not sure if Lojban has the critical mass to mak=
e it worth developing.)<br><br></div><div>I appreciate the content! It&#39;=
s wonderful! Were there a &quot;upvote&quot; button on email I would utiliz=
e it, but I agree with Timothy Lawrence that it&#39;s an email/mailing-list=
 etiquette issue. More content to learn from is *always* appreciated though=
, for the record! :-)<br></div></div></div></div>

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