Received: from mail-io0-f186.google.com ([209.85.223.186]:33422) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bkm13-00046I-FJ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:53 -0700 Received: by mail-io0-f186.google.com with SMTP id r145sf6343574ior.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=gsNlMX7VPCaNYrhZ1nnkVWRFq+ttEs9+VW70VJaOurk=; b=yz2yfycnu6LOtTX5ZpNbQy1R77rEf6vwcLDcNtgYrpU7gepvvFNycbnd5sHFHHkAfB P1MVfO522+UTgdzRymThhidOqETE4/XNY678HJAh0U7/Uq4fn6edF61oNYdvejR80ejo /KJQH+50ghD3uaMTV0f5jFFkARURqqSwm2ImAWjpo3wcJ7P1+rQKUZKYc8Pc7gu5Z9IV F9cnxBUUWIKnS2/GxsfvP+7WQdXt/TS3cCutTupwMU/Rx4PplSHe8/2tKPxa/j92R14/ 667vP6Ola40lg7ToVb8ACLeO5qGfWvoCzdFbDlUFncxpAEGUoYTbpRhfPgPAjXW1IVcP 2Xag== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=gsNlMX7VPCaNYrhZ1nnkVWRFq+ttEs9+VW70VJaOurk=; b=AeWS5GAiEJ25o2EpSDn08t8KHVksbNmaDdxW2A4p2c82ZkEHqgjlbW1gL07xDH61pS qX3IUH7RiBvTcrSNLSwOn9+49POYisir9lXm0KesnhPEqDr9lZzRTcZsT1Mm90SK1LfV Sks45OYeEJN1wxWfJKuQLKqxDxWqYIu89hJTLbQIOXa6ZsarRu72I9dP0uhGpVNwHBLq Qn3fwEsafgJZzWfVVoaqcZD50xS2y1SsAZbZFUluBwwIM6wd7p8gJtuEzTM0DVUJCJ8S O8ev4C2nYqY2xen/O/YIOlMTJpewX+Gwe/eF7qRlCR5kshO8w8hzzSec/23DUA/o4YhD 8DLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=gsNlMX7VPCaNYrhZ1nnkVWRFq+ttEs9+VW70VJaOurk=; b=gsKhJYi6duVIs/ytrnPhGuhP7mX0DGTxr4OEnjg1eE41Lc9SdDINg6C+lCdcDcnDdt 40hfeH7xlkd8tyKle0R0NE9B8WMETnZZldE5cY6GzitvToL4ZnJH1vFeTyvmw3AkJdJX v+jRRCCh81YR7bq4m8XsIonVd7nLr0wdlaohGrPFVtr7JePwK4TaKniHXjmqek6uFTX/ 6kNlA/cMhARQf+Rxgjs0cej1L6lW2pXUIsYvVg/N/46+lKCAmU1Kbb0z5an+Jjzp8nkb uIxxQccvtAmSiubLR5RxxT4hZMOtu7DJzwJdLNQigM9jt/Qy5H1kp8LHRSvFpre8NtCS ExRQ== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNNlv+fki60gxBAatKQWW7e8lfd8wXg/B5vGYta/3IzJLLgsiVWTBjicF4O0KrtTw== X-Received: by 10.157.25.236 with SMTP id k99mr868143otk.5.1474004923416; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.157.40.66 with SMTP id h2ls532957otd.18.gmail; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.13.110 with SMTP id 101mr865831oti.13.1474004923216; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Curtis Franks To: lojban Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5354cff3-8b06-45c1-a48f-93ada152e9b8@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] -bom-/-nom- & KE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1099_756808999.1474004922513" X-Original-Sender: curtis.w.franks@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_1099_756808999.1474004922513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Well, first of all, -bom- and -nom- work as opening and closing brackets,= the only difference being that they do something to the enclosed stuff. Th= is is one clue it could be KE. I agree that they /could/ be. I just did not see why they /must/ be. If you= are simply proposing that such would be the most natural (but not sole pos= sible) fit for them, then I can proceed. > Then, they can be skipped at the beginning or end. Try to do that with NU "nunsla" skips "-kez-" at the end (well, it would not be possible in that f= orm - it would have to be " zei kei", but that does not matter here). Inserting "-kez-" between rafsi without a NU rafsi previous to it in the sa= me word has undefined result, although it may or may not be grammatical. I = suppose that it could imply "-suv-" at some indeterminate point in the word= beforehand (or maybe only at the beginning; possibly, we maybrequire at le= ast one other rafsi to be between "-suv-" and "-kez-"), but then that kind = of introduces implicit NU throughout the language via the veljvo, and that = gets messy. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1099_756808999.1474004922513--