Received: from mail-yb0-f191.google.com ([209.85.213.191]:32952) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bkmB1-0004jd-3v for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:11 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f191.google.com with SMTP id x93sf16046151ybh.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Ys1bhQGvv91fD0XKB4TUQ0RDVKApPa9Saz8iNQ2la4k=; b=yyUP8NRn42ZF7qedB3OrWjKX9GVYIWqdqcSXLKqjLfp3iMtZZQfvAxvy1eqZ7XEiiK ESfnsIiTJM6ujJFSf+XYKcrVuuQgUTKkKY8oRImA+T7vIrzrzsWJv0658Ab3DL41uW/u xT49TwDfdJVu0rxel7XsziJTecDQbBvEVdoRa8D1YXOILLZipDVZO3waVSdiUp0mdbSC i09HIDvriobUsdgM54MMvLqPUtBdNa7AwAHdUsWtQf5PLWcrk2Uog5eWF2Asi+iCWpEe IjN7CyDH1Ja6+JmH63PiCjFihQrLuRb/7rk7uvGLcgw9XCqEziCqQvXP79v75RPiP+Sn I8uw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Ys1bhQGvv91fD0XKB4TUQ0RDVKApPa9Saz8iNQ2la4k=; b=z/RoP0oMsGmuNPruT33AOuKkyqhy1UT70gCD3dxyhduDhRZHy3fCWnc67c9wXyOvq3 y94+YPJi78NvndWIYaTNLXSQLC1bdumRFiAUUSu4wcPCevt8jsiH0AWeMVitS4GDbMg6 b+nndLmxmabXdukf2LTYyGoT65zNI/w48eU6JVDWTyEidr/KXgTKWqWPFbXdTmw/wbcF iLDJPy9VVNNc0CetY52IiDCFEjSOYrf8DAU0ekeD2oPbpFaGppqz75sLWkcA8g6DbI4r l0h9S1PToHZpThoQD7s/62UQVv9I0F2hkQ/Z98A4y/BpScBCjhHNHsI/uNFp89Yj4yHS ipNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Ys1bhQGvv91fD0XKB4TUQ0RDVKApPa9Saz8iNQ2la4k=; b=lno3S6//xXWzvy+WI1nG4jVBfexfzlu6VlW2cXr9usEEP+Bp32OgRFuh8CrfRE+NKk mptm5aFGBedWa/xaNpjnAKqw4jIw9vVJfHKi8KjrSvtsFQoWL36THrQetGUd+rk4Z9jz R4L7flZTfyTmY6VJ/CL0v6H9jaFFuvlpwdTJx+6pDQWYL+8NC/J4fA3c5C9mfpr9l5Yo vg10xIzIV80pyv/XZZia4uHvAn4xh1ISt330ffZiUmjkLXF74AeVcPD+VrjELQ03rDwq BrzC/I41+0V/JE8Yy625BdFE2DGdluvFf0LWenPZ4AyFyFiPNPVWQ6iF3dZjxrNK1mFz epFQ== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMjaBp6v83oAnKfarNZR3nckS1/F+bceMwDSjc8NuQQ9JP5rJuEWd2YvmYNm3WK1A== X-Received: by 10.157.13.110 with SMTP id 101mr866548oti.13.1474005541094; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.157.43.24 with SMTP id o24ls4745990otb.35.gmail; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.59.194 with SMTP id k60mr383686otc.10.1474005540877; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Curtis Franks To: lojban Message-Id: <2387411b-574e-497b-8635-dc20e6493d5e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] sumtcita & default places MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1412_178510383.1474005540193" X-Original-Sender: curtis.w.franks@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_1412_178510383.1474005540193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Technically (in my interpretation - as it is not really addressed anywhere = tobmy knowledge), this would happen anywhere in a bridi, including in the i= mplicit terbri of a sumti (the ones which are made explicit and then filled= by use of BE), as well as in the case about which you are asking; so, yes.= Luckily, there is an experimental cmavo, invented by yours truly, which he= lps with such problems: "de'au" (or its relatives). I am not sure why you would want to use a sumtcita without filling it expli= citly, unless you wanted the default to be there too, but I might just not = be sufficiently imaginative. In any case, you have your answer and the work= -around/fix (depending on how you favor it). This should be documented in t= he CLL2 - thanks! By the way, I do not think that this happens with BAI, even those which are= related to/derived from words which have default values programmed into th= eir terbri, unless the BAI word itself explicitly has a default value assig= ned to it in its definition. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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