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Is there already a page on the Lojban wiki about a Lojban training chatbot?=
 If not, I can start one. It doesn't have to be an IRC bot, so I wouldn't r=
euse that page. This chatbot could be one just embedded in a public webpage=
, in my mind, that a learner can use before they commit to IRC etc. (there =
is a high learning curve with IRC for many).


A semi-intelligent Eliza-style chatbot would be good as a first-step for le=
arners, in my opinion, to teach the learner all the high-priority conversat=
ion and "emergency" words.


Something like SHRDLU sounds like it could become a great game/toy for lear=
ning the space/tense system especially :)

That might be more of a second step for the learner after the Eliza-style o=
ne, I am thinking.

________________________________
From: lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Michae=
l Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016 7:53 PM
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] BPFK has approved cmavo swaps

Well, as far as SHRDLU-like goes (ah, good ol' Terry Winograd.  I read his =
Understanding Natural Language in 1979.), we do have cakyrespa (assuming it=
 still exists) at https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cakyrespa which while=
 not being shrdlu exactly,is a LOGO-like lojban interface.

          --gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org<mailto:mbays@sd=
f.org>> wrote:
* Friday, 2016-09-16 at 11:20 +0200 - Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com<mail=
to:rdentato@gmail.com>>:

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect=
.qut.edu.au<mailto:timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>> wrote:
I did a really basic mockup here to show the concept https://jsfiddle.net/g=
xextk82/10/

> The idea of a lojban chatbot is great. I believe it has been attempted
> previously but I don't know if anything came out.
>
> Even something at the level of the old "Eliza" would be good (and somethi=
ng
> closer to Siri or Cortana would be a dream :) ).

For learning lojban, I think more appropriate than an
intelligence-faking Eliza-style chatbot would be something like SHRDLU:
a system which can react accurately to the precise logical content of
your utterances.

This was actually the original aim of the project which ended up as
la tersmus.... I continue to vaguely plan to get back to it one day, but
I'd also be happy if someone else did it first!

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<p>Is there already a page on the Lojban wiki about a Lojban training chatb=
ot? If not, I can start one. It doesn't have to be an IRC bot, so I wouldn'=
t reuse that page. This chatbot could be one just embedded in a public webp=
age, in my mind, that a learner
 can use before they commit to IRC etc. (there is a high learning curve wit=
h IRC for many).</p>
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<p><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">A semi-intelligent Eliz=
a-style chatbot would be good as a first-step for learners, in my opinion, =
to teach the learner all the high-priority conversation and &quot;emergency=
&quot; words.</span></font></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Something like <span>SHRDLU</span> sounds like it could become a great g=
ame/toy for learning the space/tense system especially :)</p>
<p>That might be <span>more</span> of a second step&nbsp;for the learner af=
ter the Eliza-style one, I am thinking.<br>
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.com &lt;lojban@googlegroups.com&gt; on behalf of Michael Turniansky &lt;mt=
urniansky@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 16 September 2016 7:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [lojban] BPFK has approved cmavo swaps</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, as far as SHRDLU-like goes (ah, good ol' Terry Winog=
rad.&nbsp; I read his
<i>Understanding Natural Language</i>&nbsp;in 1979.), we do have cakyrespa =
(assuming it still exists) at&nbsp;<a id=3D"LPlnk856912" href=3D"https://ha=
ckage.haskell.org/package/cakyrespa">https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ca=
kyrespa</a> which while not being shrdlu exactly,is
 a LOGO-like lojban interface.
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<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --gejyspa</div>
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an dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mbays@sdf.org" target=3D"_blank">mbays@sdf.org</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
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px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
* Friday, 2016-09-16 at 11:20 &#43;0200 - Remo Dentato &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Timothy Lawre=
nce <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au" target=3D"_blank=
">timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<span class=3D"x_gmail-"></span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">I did a&nbsp=
;<i>really</i> basic mockup here to show the concept&nbsp;<a id=3D"LPlnk264=
918" href=3D"https://jsfiddle.net/gxextk82/10/" target=3D"_blank">https://j=
sfiddle.net/<wbr>gxextk82/10/</a>
</span></div>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
&gt; The idea of a lojban chatbot is great. I believe it has been attempted=
<br>
&gt; previously but I don't know if anything came out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Even something at the level of the old &quot;Eliza&quot; would be good=
 (and something<br>
&gt; closer to Siri or Cortana would be a dream :) ).<br>
<br>
</span>For learning lojban, I think more appropriate than an<br>
intelligence-faking Eliza-style chatbot would be something like SHRDLU:<br>
a system which can react accurately to the precise logical content of<br>
your utterances.<br>
<br>
This was actually the original aim of the project which ended up as<br>
la tersmus.... I continue to vaguely plan to get back to it one day, but<br=
>
I'd also be happy if someone else did it first!<br>
<br>
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