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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:59:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: loqban alphabet for Lojban has been puplished
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Huh. I don't see "loqban" anywhere on lojban.org. Is this writing system=20
your invention, Tobias?

I understand that Lojban's Latin-based orthography seems a little weird at=
=20
first. But to me, using *q* for the IPA /=CA=92/ seems stranger than things=
 like=20
using the apostrophe for <h>. The apostrophe was an odd choice, but the=20
light-weight character does fit use of {y'y} as a "semiconsonant" serving=
=20
only as a vowel separator. Also, people who don't like Lojban's usage of=20
{.} and {'} can already just omit the dot and replace the apostrophe with=
=20
an *h* without causing any confusion. And I'm not sure spelling "Johan" as=
=20
{.johan} instead of {.io'an.} or {iohan} is a significant gain. Rather than=
=20
trying to "fix" Lojban's current official usage of the Latin alphabet, I'd=
=20
be more interested in officially adopting either a new script or one of the=
 original=20
scripts listed on the Alternate Orthographies page=20
<https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Alternate_orthographies#Original_Scripts>...=
=20
With the currently used scripts from natural languages like Latin and=20
Cyrillic remaining acceptable transliterations.

~Andrew / cemjig


On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 1:10:35 PM UTC-7, Tobias Conradi wrote:
>
> The loqban writing system for Lojban has been published.=20
>
> It uses 26 characters of ISO 10646 Basic Latin.=20
>
> Diphthongs use <w> and <j> (aj, aw, ej, oj, ja, je, ji, jo, ju, wa, we,=
=20
> wi, wo, wu, jy, wy).=20
>
> <h> is used in place of <'> for IPA /h/.=20
> <q> is used for IPA /=CA=92/, <c> for IPA /=CA=83/ and <y> for IPA /=C9=
=99/.=20
>
> This writing system increases the agreement with IPA. It allows for a=20
> Lojban pronunciation of 1 000 000+ taxon names used in scientific naming =
of=20
> biota, without changing their spelling.=20
>
> It can also be used to spell names like .johan zebastjan bax., .pjotr=20
> iljitc tcajkovski. and .dqenghis xan.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Huh. I don&#39;t see &quot;loqban&quot; anywhere on lojban=
.org. Is this writing system your invention, Tobias?<br><br>I understand th=
at Lojban&#39;s Latin-based orthography seems a little weird at first. But =
to me, using <i>q</i> for the IPA<span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-fa=
mily:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px"> /=CA=
=92/</span> seems stranger than things like using the apostrophe for &lt;h&=
gt;. The apostrophe was an odd choice, but the light-weight character does =
fit use of {y&#39;y}  as a &quot;semiconsonant&quot; serving only as a vowe=
l separator. Also, people who don&#39;t like Lojban&#39;s usage of {.} and =
{&#39;} can already just omit the dot and replace the apostrophe with an <i=
>h</i> without causing any confusion. And I&#39;m not sure spelling &quot;J=
ohan&quot; as {.johan} instead of {.io&#39;an.} or {iohan} is a significant=
 gain. Rather than trying to &quot;fix&quot; Lojban&#39;s current official =
usage of the Latin alphabet, I&#39;d be more interested in officially adopt=
ing either a new script or one of the <a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papr=
i/Alternate_orthographies#Original_Scripts">original scripts listed on the =
Alternate Orthographies page</a>... With the currently used scripts from na=
tural languages like Latin and Cyrillic remaining acceptable transliteratio=
ns.<br><br>~Andrew / cemjig<br><br><br>On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 1:1=
0:35 PM UTC-7, Tobias Conradi wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helve=
tica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px">The loqban writin=
g system for Lojban has been published.=C2=A0</span><div><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line=
-height:19.32px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);f=
ont-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px">I=
t uses 26 characters of ISO 10646 Basic Latin.=C2=A0</span></div><div><span=
 style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:14px;line-height:19.32px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-heig=
ht:19.32px">Diphthongs use &lt;w&gt; and &lt;j&gt; (aj, aw, ej, oj, ja, je,=
 ji, jo, ju, wa, we, wi, wo, wu, jy, wy).=C2=A0</span></div><div><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
4px;line-height:19.32px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,=
33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19=
.32px">&lt;h&gt; is used in place of &lt;&#39;&gt; for IPA /h/.=C2=A0</span=
></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px">&lt;q&gt; is used for IPA /=
=CA=92/, &lt;c&gt; for IPA /=CA=83/ and &lt;y&gt; for IPA /=C9=99/.=C2=A0</=
span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px"><br></span></div><div><s=
pan style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:14px;line-height:19.32px">This writing system increases the agreemen=
t with IPA. It allows for a Lojban pronunciation of 1 000 000+ taxon names =
used in scientific naming of biota, without changing their spelling.=C2=A0<=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19.32px"><br></span></div><div><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:14px;line-height:19.32px">It can also be used to spell names like .=
johan zebastjan bax., .pjotr iljitc tcajkovski. and .dqenghis xan.</span></=
div></div></blockquote></div>

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