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[2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u139si1550089ywe.5.2016.09.25.14.37.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b; Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id t67so146770380ywg.3 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.129.103.134 with SMTP id b128mr14655887ywc.113.1474839460073; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:37:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.172.150 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:37:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jonathan Jones Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:37:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A Simpler Connective System (blog article) To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11490b6e1e5635053d5bd283 X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eyeonus@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11490b6e1e5635053d5bd283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I remember a similar proposal made years ago, I think by .xorxes., that does about the same thing for the same reason. On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > How would adoption of this proposal affect the length of the current > grammar? I assume it would shorten it, but how much? > I favor the proposal. > > stevo > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:31 PM, selpahi wrote: > >> "How does one say 'and' in Lojban?" >> "Well... it depends, you know. For sumti, it's {e}. For tanru and >> sentences, it's {je}. For bridi tails it's {gi'e}. And those were just >> the afterthought connectives. Forethought 'and' is {ge} for everything but >> tanru, which use {gu'e} instead. Relative clauses are connected with >> {zi'e}." >> "... oh." >> >> With no less than six ways to say "and" as well as roughly the same >> number for each of the other logical functions (OR, IFF, WHETHER-OR-NOT) >> totaling 26, the Lojban connective system can be quite daunting. 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I remember a similar proposal made years ago, I think by .= xorxes., that does about the same thing for the same reason.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 a= t 1:46 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
How would adoption of this propos= al affect the length of the current grammar? I assume it would shorten it, = but how much?=C2=A0
I favor the proposal.=C2=A0

stevo
<= /div>
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:31 PM, selpahi <seladwa= @gmx.de> wrote:
"How d= oes one say 'and' in Lojban?"
"Well... it depends, you know.=C2=A0 For sumti, it's {e}.=C2=A0 Fo= r tanru and sentences, it's {je}.=C2=A0 For bridi tails it's {gi= 9;e}.=C2=A0 And those were just the afterthought connectives.=C2=A0 Foretho= ught 'and' is {ge} for everything but tanru, which use {gu'e} i= nstead.=C2=A0 Relative clauses are connected with {zi'e}."
"... oh."

With no less than six ways to say "and" as well as roughly the sa= me number for each of the other logical functions (OR, IFF, WHETHER-OR-NOT)= totaling 26, the Lojban connective system can be quite daunting. But despa= ir not, for there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

[...]

To read the full article follow this link:

https://solpahi.wordpress.com/<= wbr>2016/09/20/a-simpler-connective-system/

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