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There *used* to be zi'a/zi'e/zi'o/zi'u, completing the ZIhEk spectrum, 
but it was determined for some reason that non-conjunctive conjunctions 
of relative clauses didn't make sense, and only zi'e was needed (and the 
other cmavo got repurposed for other things).

~mark

On 09/25/2016 05:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I remember a similar proposal made years ago, I think by .xorxes., 
> that does about the same thing for the same reason.
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     How would adoption of this proposal affect the length of the
>     current grammar? I assume it would shorten it, but how much?
>     I favor the proposal.
>
>     stevo
>
>     On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:31 PM, selpahi <seladwa@gmx.de
>     <mailto:seladwa@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>         "How does one say 'and' in Lojban?"
>         "Well... it depends, you know.  For sumti, it's {e}.  For
>         tanru and sentences, it's {je}.  For bridi tails it's {gi'e}. 
>         And those were just the afterthought connectives.  Forethought
>         'and' is {ge} for everything but tanru, which use {gu'e}
>         instead.  Relative clauses are connected with {zi'e}."
>         "... oh."
>
>         With no less than six ways to say "and" as well as roughly the
>         same number for each of the other logical functions (OR, IFF,
>         WHETHER-OR-NOT) totaling 26, the Lojban connective system can
>         be quite daunting. But despair not, for there is a light at
>         the end of the tunnel.
>
>         [...]
>
>         To read the full article follow this link:
>
>         https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/a-simpler-connective-system/
>         <https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/a-simpler-connective-system/>
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">There *used* to be zi'a/zi'e/zi'o/zi'u,
      completing the ZIhEk spectrum, but it was determined for some
      reason that non-conjunctive conjunctions of relative clauses
      didn't make sense, and only zi'e was needed (and the other cmavo
      got repurposed for other things).<br>
      <br>
      ~mark<br>
      <br>
      On 09/25/2016 05:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
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      <div dir=3D"ltr">I remember a similar proposal made years ago, I
        think by .xorxes., that does about the same thing for the same
        reason.<br>
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        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM,
          MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
              href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@g=
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          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
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              <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier
                new,monospace">How would adoption of this proposal
                affect the length of the current grammar? I assume it
                would shorten it, but how much?=C2=A0</div>
              <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier
                new,monospace">I favor the proposal.=C2=A0</div>
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                  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:31
                    PM, selpahi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
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                        href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">se=
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                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">"Ho=
w
                      does one say 'and' in Lojban?"<br>
                      "Well... it depends, you know.=C2=A0 For sumti, it's
                      {e}.=C2=A0 For tanru and sentences, it's {je}.=C2=A0 =
For
                      bridi tails it's {gi'e}.=C2=A0 And those were just th=
e
                      afterthought connectives.=C2=A0 Forethought 'and' is
                      {ge} for everything but tanru, which use {gu'e}
                      instead.=C2=A0 Relative clauses are connected with
                      {zi'e}."<br>
                      "... oh."<br>
                      <br>
                      With no less than six ways to say "and" as well as
                      roughly the same number for each of the other
                      logical functions (OR, IFF, WHETHER-OR-NOT)
                      totaling 26, the Lojban connective system can be
                      quite daunting. But despair not, for there is a
                      light at the end of the tunnel.<br>
                      <br>
                      [...]<br>
                      <br>
                      To read the full article follow this link:<br>
                      <br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
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