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From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:43:57 +0100
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Subject: Re: [lojban] A Simpler Connective System (blog article)
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On 25 September 2016 at 19:31, selpahi <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> "How does one say 'and' in Lojban?"
> "Well... it depends, you know.  For sumti, it's {e}.  For tanru and
> sentences, it's {je}.  For bridi tails it's {gi'e}.  And those were just
> the afterthought connectives.  Forethought 'and' is {ge} for everything but
> tanru, which use {gu'e} instead.  Relative clauses are connected with
> {zi'e}."
> "... oh."
>
> With no less than six ways to say "and" as well as roughly the same number
> for each of the other logical functions (OR, IFF, WHETHER-OR-NOT) totaling
> 26, the Lojban connective system can be quite daunting. But despair not,
> for there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
>
> [...]
>
> To read the full article follow this link:
>
> https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/a-simpler-connective-system/


Having given the matter about .0001% of the thought you have, I wonder
whether the gi'i terminator is optimal. Firstly it would not always be easy
to work out on the fly when it is and isn't elidable, so the prudent
strategy would be to leave it in except when certain it is elidable.
Secondly, when it isn't elided it adds an extra word and two extra
syllables. A better alternative would be to introduce medial conjuncts with
_go_ rather than _gi_, and use _gi_ only for introducing final conjuncts:
{ga JA A go B go C gi D}. (Or, one step neater, use _gu_ for medial
conjuncts and _go_ for the tanru coordination introducer. Or _ge_.)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2=
5 September 2016 at 19:31, selpahi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&quot;How does one say &#39;and&#39; in Lojba=
n?&quot;<br>
&quot;Well... it depends, you know.=C2=A0 For sumti, it&#39;s {e}.=C2=A0 Fo=
r tanru and sentences, it&#39;s {je}.=C2=A0 For bridi tails it&#39;s {gi=
9;e}.=C2=A0 And those were just the afterthought connectives.=C2=A0 Foretho=
ught &#39;and&#39; is {ge} for everything but tanru, which use {gu&#39;e} i=
nstead.=C2=A0 Relative clauses are connected with {zi&#39;e}.&quot;<br>
&quot;... oh.&quot;<br>
<br>
With no less than six ways to say &quot;and&quot; as well as roughly the sa=
me number for each of the other logical functions (OR, IFF, WHETHER-OR-NOT)=
 totaling 26, the Lojban connective system can be quite daunting. But despa=
ir not, for there is a light at the end of the tunnel.<br>
<br>
[...]<br>
<br>
To read the full article follow this link:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/a-simpler-connective-sy=
stem/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://solpahi.wordpress.com/<=
wbr>2016/09/20/a-simpler-connectiv<wbr>e-system/</a></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>Having given the matter about .0001% of the thought you have, I w=
onder whether the gi&#39;i terminator is optimal. Firstly it would not alwa=
ys be easy to work out on the fly when it is and isn&#39;t elidable, so the=
 prudent strategy would be to leave it in except when certain it is elidabl=
e. Secondly, when it isn&#39;t elided it adds an extra word and two extra s=
yllables. A better alternative would be to introduce medial conjuncts with =
_go_ rather than _gi_, and use _gi_ only for introducing final conjuncts: {=
ga JA A go B go C gi D}. (Or, one step neater, use _gu_ for medial conjunct=
s and _go_ for the tanru coordination introducer. Or _ge_.)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>--And.</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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