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[212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p199si754788wmd.1.2016.09.26.08.03.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Sep 2016 08:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from [192.168.2.128] ([217.246.170.145]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MFPyK-1blBvt1A4S-00EPlm for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:03:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] A Simpler Connective System (blog article) To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: From: selpahi Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:04:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:w8Yk3S5uD27Vn7hPBPBdn73xgS5gAHSPv7yBiFeuwBtlkGXiruN oTuMv6U3ANWVQjViPxnU//ACkoCFDP0yGSOUk86oeYjreVU93kIqMs/C4jer4NJXhquWvcV W18gRQHqzIComTlo/ub74HB/pCEqCR8kpEXqgaj+OLG0UxDiqtF5zmcw2L289zfE7iL2JZ0 7yz/pJNueR745PEO+lD3A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:EUQQ4CogpkI=:dkpVqbA8GILcwv8dY1xLsZ 6PaVhNbx9UJzr4JBQVYJw0pOFpDDGp0ac2ABJVIREoN1kWUUUc2dY733STHqVI+z9j+Lfapr2 I8a/85M3UVaVEkFAaA2HW98poHGnN4Gq29t5xh8e8biNU2vTEaQXCn3UP1Yvvoe3ZIEbvOogS KJwniZjjp4QQieda5QeWwkSXc83wIn5cLELe2pDXGoLQOn82qxejVy8zcqXEZCFNCihHzkK9u Z13vY9olw8QkrkFCORMh3na3Y2PZO7y6rt9vXnv6o6LzihGOmAgWBbgdGVWukYRezHGh6i9Vv 0J1xkB05EGNAd40jnufKcY+5+L+toRESG7twtgHra5tnEDa5AAMazCq+Z7OpsWX3kQ4pYdgSZ dBANnqxqyAz37vBS9w+eq42bxYZKuvNAPJ65Fy/OmoqnYyRpKXZB23b+XXu9N985b2vTm6WmF xO1alc0bbLvraK2yEmN9HV2rCZVEOjhflgV/whtdfJW5A5T/DiedfZBalxwBgRdIy73KP8miV WHD5JChLDu1wV9r5Wea4BgfY2dVhMwkcldBM3wJO1rPMmQL3/lNYFqXskgP1EL6rHXjSyJe1y OmovdA+h79ELjGkO+sJLcuLWO04Rj0SYNEjojDwFOTIOYs6JX7g5u2VBBcnBqJ156r+ula20a KUR2RonXJAL/V4r3u8zUXes7zTZRF5XCnf6/MSSQH35GbFPtfwgAPOhNeFsYPzxCIqmCULcvT kZF1KqBZEfP35z/DAwBWSHpdaqc+vx3aZ3jn3jHs/MYpJbjsyCo5kpZbrAhS33zz7fzssO66E ePNluBv X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - On 26.09.2016 16:43, And Rosta wrote: > Having given the matter about .0001% of the thought you have, I wonder > whether the gi'i terminator is optimal. Firstly it would not always be > easy to work out on the fly when it is and isn't elidable, so the > prudent strategy would be to leave it in except when certain it is > elidable. Secondly, when it isn't elided it adds an extra word and two > extra syllables. A better alternative would be to introduce medial > conjuncts with _go_ rather than _gi_, and use _gi_ only for introducing > final conjuncts: {ga JA A go B go C gi D}. (Or, one step neater, use > _gu_ for medial conjuncts and _go_ for the tanru coordination > introducer. Or _ge_.) The only times {gi'i} would not be elidible is if another connective follows that is supposed to apply to the entire forethought connection to its left. In all other cases {gi'i} is elidible, because each {gi} can only devour exactly one sumti, after which the entire connection ends automatically. Your strategy with {go} would involve much more forethought than this, because you would have to be absolutely certain that you only want to add exactly one more item. Do you have any situations in mind where working out whether {gi'i} is elidible would not be easy? Thank you for your comment. ~~~mi'e la solpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.