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Subject: [lojban] Re: A Simpler Quantifier Logic (blog article)
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Em sexta-feira, 7 de outubro de 2016 15:09:59 UTC+3, selpa'i escreveu:
>
> In this article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20
> currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20
> problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20
> solution that addresses both.=20
>
> Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20
> introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the=
=20
> move from singular logic to plural logic.=20
>
> Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they=20
> are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.=20
>
> https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/=20
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpress.com%2F201=
6%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-quantifier-logic%2F&sa=3DD&sntz=3D1&usg=3DAFQjCNG35=
ZW1XitrBHzq8GPbAMyhs1Hn6Q>=20
>

One thing is that it says that under singular logic "nobody is gathering"=
=20
is impossible but why not use {selcmi}. That's of course beside the point=
=20
of the article. That section is clearly called "singular meets plural",=20
which some readers might forget about, though.

Phrasing {na ku su=E2=80=99oi jbopre na ku remna} might make the reader thi=
nk=20
whether the scope is affected by plural quantifiers or not (since {su'oi}=
=20
is in the middle but later it's asserted that plural {re} and {ci} aren't=
=20
affected by scope).

Also it'd be nice to explain one mysterious particle of class LE one day=20
since it's (for obvious reasons) absent from the proposal in this article.


And singular/plural looks like an obsession with Pythagorean number, which=
=20
rule the world.=20
E.g. such quantifier as "various" in "People talk to each other in various=
=20
languages" is roughly {so'i} and precisely based on {vrici} and=20
non-distributive (or sometimes is distributive) but is a quantifiers that=
=20
quantifies other predicates. Such quantifiers are unfortunately often=20
forgotten.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Em sexta-feira, 7 de outubro de 2016 15:09:59 UTC+=
3, selpa&#39;i  escreveu:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">In th=
is article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20
<br>currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20
<br>problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20
<br>solution that addresses both.
<br>
<br>Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20
<br>introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the=
=20
<br>move from singular logic to plural logic.
<br>
<br>Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they=
=20
<br>are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpre=
ss.com%2F2016%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-quantifier-logic%2F&amp;sa=3DD&amp;sntz=
=3D1&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNG35ZW1XitrBHzq8GPbAMyhs1Hn6Q" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3d=
https%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-quantifier=
-logic%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG35ZW1XitrBHzq8GPbAMyhs1H=
n6Q&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/u=
rl?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-qu=
antifier-logic%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG35ZW1XitrBHzq8GP=
bAMyhs1Hn6Q&#39;;return true;">https://solpahi.wordpress.com/<wbr>2016/09/2=
5/a-simpler-<wbr>quantifier-logic/</a>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>One thing is that it says that under s=
ingular logic &quot;nobody is gathering&quot; is impossible but why not use=
 {selcmi}. That&#39;s of course beside the point of the article. That secti=
on is clearly called &quot;singular meets plural&quot;, which some readers =
might forget about, though.</div><div><br></div><div>Phrasing {na ku su=E2=
=80=99oi jbopre na ku remna} might make the reader think whether the scope =
is affected by plural quantifiers or not (since {su&#39;oi} is in the middl=
e but later it&#39;s asserted that plural {re} and {ci} aren&#39;t affected=
 by scope).</div><div><br></div><div>Also it&#39;d be nice to explain one m=
ysterious particle of class LE one day since it&#39;s (for obvious reasons)=
 absent from the proposal in this article.</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>And singular/plural looks like an obsession with Pythagorean number=
, which rule the world.=C2=A0</div><div>E.g. such quantifier as &quot;vario=
us&quot; in &quot;People talk to each other in various languages&quot; is r=
oughly {so&#39;i} and precisely based on {vrici} and non-distributive (or s=
ometimes is distributive) but is a quantifiers that quantifies other predic=
ates. Such quantifiers are unfortunately often forgotten.<br></div></div>

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