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From: Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:33:59 +0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A Simpler Quantifier Logic (blog article)
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I've not be able to fully grok the articles but I really like this series
of "Simpler".
I really look forward to see the one on "Morphology".

Remo

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Em sexta-feira, 7 de outubro de 2016 15:09:59 UTC+3, selpa'i escreveu:
>>
>> In this article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic
>> currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical
>> problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a
>> solution that addresses both.
>>
>> Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its
>> introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the
>> move from singular logic to plural logic.
>>
>> Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they
>> are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.
>>
>> https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/
>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpress.com%2F20=
16%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-quantifier-logic%2F&sa=3DD&sntz=3D1&usg=3DAFQjCNG3=
5ZW1XitrBHzq8GPbAMyhs1Hn6Q>
>>
>
> One thing is that it says that under singular logic "nobody is gathering"
> is impossible but why not use {selcmi}. That's of course beside the point
> of the article. That section is clearly called "singular meets plural",
> which some readers might forget about, though.
>
> Phrasing {na ku su=E2=80=99oi jbopre na ku remna} might make the reader t=
hink
> whether the scope is affected by plural quantifiers or not (since {su'oi}
> is in the middle but later it's asserted that plural {re} and {ci} aren't
> affected by scope).
>
> Also it'd be nice to explain one mysterious particle of class LE one day
> since it's (for obvious reasons) absent from the proposal in this article=
.
>
>
> And singular/plural looks like an obsession with Pythagorean number, whic=
h
> rule the world.
> E.g. such quantifier as "various" in "People talk to each other in variou=
s
> languages" is roughly {so'i} and precisely based on {vrici} and
> non-distributive (or sometimes is distributive) but is a quantifiers that
> quantifies other predicates. Such quantifiers are unfortunately often
> forgotten.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;ve not be able to fully grok the articles but I=
 really like this series of &quot;Simpler&quot;.<br>I really look forward t=
o see the one on &quot;Morphology&quot;.<br><br></div>Remo<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6=
:27 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br><br>Em se=
xta-feira, 7 de outubro de 2016 15:09:59 UTC+3, selpa&#39;i  escreveu:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In this article I will take a closer loo=
k at the quantifier logic=20
<br>currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20
<br>problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20
<br>solution that addresses both.
<br>
<br>Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20
<br>introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the=
=20
<br>move from singular logic to plural logic.
<br>
<br>Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they=
=20
<br>are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fsolpahi.wordpre=
ss.com%2F2016%2F09%2F25%2Fa-simpler-quantifier-logic%2F&amp;sa=3DD&amp;sntz=
=3D1&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNG35ZW1XitrBHzq8GPbAMyhs1Hn6Q" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">https://solpahi.wordpress.com/<wbr>2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantif=
ie<wbr>r-logic/</a>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>One thing is that it says that =
under singular logic &quot;nobody is gathering&quot; is impossible but why =
not use {selcmi}. That&#39;s of course beside the point of the article. Tha=
t section is clearly called &quot;singular meets plural&quot;, which some r=
eaders might forget about, though.</div><div><br></div><div>Phrasing {na ku=
 su=E2=80=99oi jbopre na ku remna} might make the reader think whether the =
scope is affected by plural quantifiers or not (since {su&#39;oi} is in the=
 middle but later it&#39;s asserted that plural {re} and {ci} aren&#39;t af=
fected by scope).</div><div><br></div><div>Also it&#39;d be nice to explain=
 one mysterious particle of class LE one day since it&#39;s (for obvious re=
asons) absent from the proposal in this article.</div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>And singular/plural looks like an obsession with Pythagorean =
number, which rule the world.=C2=A0</div><div>E.g. such quantifier as &quot=
;various&quot; in &quot;People talk to each other in various languages&quot=
; is roughly {so&#39;i} and precisely based on {vrici} and non-distributive=
 (or sometimes is distributive) but is a quantifiers that quantifies other =
predicates. Such quantifiers are unfortunately often forgotten.<br></div></=
div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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