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[68.230.241.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g192si7414975pfb.1.2016.11.15.18.02.16 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.218; Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20161116020216.GGSY20799.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:02:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with cox id 8S1u1u0022869s801S1uJH; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:02:05 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.582BBE1D.00F6,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=G5KSErU5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=aG9i5eY-Zdi3o-WdFY8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Subject: Re: [lojban] Young ex-presidents and abandoned houses To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <8Djt1u00756Cr6M01Dju7X> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:01:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8Djt1u00756Cr6M01Dju7X> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mailfrom=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.5 X-Spam_score_int: -44 X-Spam_bar: ---- On 11/15/2016 8:43 AM, selpahi wrote: > Adjectival participles. > > Lojban does not have them, but let's look at the known options for > translating phrases such as "to be a young ex-president" and "to be an > abandoned house". What these have in common is that they contain two > tanru units, at least one of which wants to be preceded by a > tense/aspect/modal. This is not grammatically possible, because > tense/aspect/modal tags apply to entire selbri and not to tanru units, > and they cannot appear in the middle of a tanru. The following > work-arounds are known to be available: I am having trouble understanding the problem (examples) Can you put these examples in the form of a sentence to be translated?, and then provide the "two tanru units" you are referring to? lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.