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[212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19si496541wmg.0.2016.11.16.07.27.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([84.190.182.226]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZlEg-1cLo4p0a7C-00LXm5 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:27:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [lojban] Young ex-presidents and abandoned houses To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: From: selpahi Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:27:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161116-0, 16.11.2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:TnpMa8kgz07JEqnUFJtVJoDwC8RSmmxU7ti9ogRqwY76gyF8JPg xytutVMQODnPYLhejEnhCqE4aTDudbzCuJ0Wr2p/6mdsB1mkWowpm6mTcpgOth/BHK+5nXA nDVqNOn3jTxD2xpmBeEBP+M2atdLEG4UlbCMyz+YFFIGOIYVHogR935ptsX6nuyuXm6Ffc3 gLgXxCZzqKEJpulgqKEHA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:WImWuZi6w28=:a2150sjePZW9aNsDj5ZDor A+BAKYIYBGMB8tWHf4Lx8XDUXIKJq1e988Yk6OnWqdrqpbY6rf/6aHYNBUmJUZyK0ICXnkvpF rQFDYI6qaDxr/jgami7c/z+lHliVcftuxC7xQEynUKMQfRA0k3G+L8ph+Jz8FNdBcCMX7OLP3 9sYf+qV0cdBfTNEzZ2Q9zasjIOrHMnOCXdmzVbtVPIGfLJ4rljBBfb2Hu4ser3Z+JVS/Nvtb9 ffLaauSEWUROhbKjqfMS/PFrFWrcFeKN1H1Q/OhZKkqeMfJPZOyMTlQb3qYWh8q6xhNdY6xb5 lL7/YxLztitZIcaMoSplDJhwr4RcJ23IQ5nK5ZqdYHcyievYfi2BVWR334X7MsDi0laWPJ+J0 1hnxlRa1nhyU/SYlA4Rj5JtxNirk9KJkMpVaq87Ekh1mCOAn5D6y+rlcPOR9anDWMJmNWGQAD sjBkpqM56fI65WziPV+Dmnre2Glld/jXa2KUDmzkBeUark8rekE7g24oMlciJeF38xE65HUEs k0F15bgtS5/RZxLwYcaAXwdDZa3NqxpQnFnQDdbol5Ii4tNlACiBp9xIoXOYMzZk9FE82SPRA XJHDdI9cmA4A4ybEA68Fb2Jg1xpClNjH6X9qghBo2BzucAeryMc0ulyLQqqSngEZBeJuED7mm 8vqWjkNrYMIAwpIU04fY238aB7pAiCdK2O5eoch7NvQCi47M9ptTJrE70YVVGqTxMoGLiSmxI OecVJiW/W+pMw4iSq3SGQrcD7NeNrKY2rffesxK4XjOVG4tRUiwRAC3U0GToenF0tvaZMKr7w pJsxCCP X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 16.11.2016 16:12, Michael Turniansky wrote: > selpa'i, > > You failed to mention one other workaround, using an almost-equivalent > bridi for the tag -- citno ke purci jatna Yeah, I noticed. For many tags (almost all of the aspects, for example) we don't have=20 very good brivla. And it is questionable whether using brivla instead of=20 CAhA is smudra, since the tertau would be claimed even though it=20 shouldn't be (for {nu'o} and {ka'e}). {ka'e broda} and {cumki broda} are=20 not equivalent. .i la .guskant. pu cusku di'e > Option 2 is satisfactory to me, but you may want a simpler way for {ba'o = jatna} being a tanru unit. Then I would suggest adding a new cmavo to selma= 'o JAI. I call it {jo'ai} here. > 7) {jo'ai} in JAI: {citno jo'ai ba'o jatna}, {jo'ai ba'o se cliva zdadi'u= } > > {jo'ai} is in the grammatical nature of JAI, but the first place of the r= esulting tanru unit does not change, differently from {jai}. je'e .i je'a cumki je cu menre la'a lo te cuxna poi na'e mabla .i .ai=20 pensi ki'e do ~~~mi'e la solpa'i --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.