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[52.25.106.113]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si234508pfb.2.2016.11.16.18.11.24 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 52.25.106.113 as permitted sender) client-ip=52.25.106.113; Received: from [192.168.1.199] (modemcable164.68-130-66.mc.videotron.ca [66.130.68.164]) by mail.jerrington.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 714F7435DD for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:11:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DBF3E45D-E05A-4BD8-9901-9598EFDBFDC4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [lojban] Young ex-presidents and abandoned houses X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jacob Thomas Errington In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:11:22 -0500 Message-Id: <2471B89F-1B87-4A4F-AA1C-0AB8E1886DD9@mail.jerrington.me> References: To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Original-Sender: jake@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 52.25.106.113 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_bar: - --Apple-Mail=_DBF3E45D-E05A-4BD8-9901-9598EFDBFDC4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:27 AM, selpahi wrote: >=20 > For many tags (almost all of the aspects, for example) we don't have very= good brivla. And it is questionable whether using brivla instead of CAhA i= s smudra, since the tertau would be claimed even though it shouldn't be (fo= r {nu'o} and {ka'e}). {ka'e broda} and {cumki broda} are not equivalent. Of course, {cumki broda} does not suggest an interpretation similar to {ka'= e broda}. However, {broda cumki} *does* suggest an interpretation similar t= o {ka'e broda}. You can arrive at similar word order using {co}. I agree with you that selbri should be the base case in Lojban, so why then= should we be content with not having an adequate selbri for each tag? In o= ther words, I think that the solution to this problem is to create selbri f= or each tag, and to use those instead of one of the workarounds given in yo= ur list. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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