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I don't think my reply got sent to the group, so here it is:

Oh, ok. I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm translating something.=20
Thanks for the heads up.=20

-- Joshua Taylor=20

On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 4:55:15 PM UTC-5, Ilmen wrote:
>
>
> On 16/01/2017 21:59, Joshua Taylor wrote:=20
> > About your comment on stress. I think two years ago (at the time I=20
> > first wrote this) I would have disagreed with you, but reading it=20
> > again, you're completely right. If I were to start over, I'd be a=20
> > little more loose with the syllable counts and put more weight on=20
> > lining of the stresses. Though to be fair, my thinking back then, I=20
> > remember, was that it would be sung by breaking lojbanic stress rules=
=20
> > when necessary. My reasoning was that while there is a correct and a=20
> > wrong way to place stress on lojban jufra, there are no minimal pairs=
=20
> > for stress: it never changes the meaning of anything. Is this correct?=
=20
>
> While it is true that there exist no pair of Lojban words distinguished=
=20
> only by a difference in stress position, stressed syllables play an=20
> essential role in segmenting a Lojban syllable stream into words :=20
> stress is one of Lojban's devices for determining word boundaries.=20
>
> Let's look at a couple examples:=20
>
> {SEpliseTAvla} is parsed as {sepli se tavla}, "talked to separately".=20
> But:=20
> {sePLIseTAvla} is parsed as {se plise tavla}, "talk of apple strains".=20
>
> {dinSAUru} is parsed as {dinsauru} (a single word).=20
> But:=20
> {DINsauru} is parsed as {dinsau ru}, which is the lujvo "dinsau"=20
> followed by the pronoun "ru".=20
>
> Therefore you can effectively change the meaning of a sentence by=20
> shifting stress positions.=20
>
> =E2=80=94Ilmen.=20
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t think my reply got sent to the group, so here =
it is:<br><br>Oh, ok. I&#39;ll keep that in mind the next time I&#39;m tran=
slating something.=20
Thanks for the heads up.
<br>
<br>-- Joshua Taylor
<br><br>On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 4:55:15 PM UTC-5, Ilmen wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On 16/01/2017 21:59, Joshua Taylor wrote:
<br>&gt; About your comment on stress. I think two years ago (at the time I=
=20
<br>&gt; first wrote this) I would have disagreed with you, but reading it=
=20
<br>&gt; again, you&#39;re completely right. If I were to start over, I&#39=
;d be a=20
<br>&gt; little more loose with the syllable counts and put more weight on=
=20
<br>&gt; lining of the stresses. Though to be fair, my thinking back then, =
I=20
<br>&gt; remember, was that it would be sung by breaking lojbanic stress ru=
les=20
<br>&gt; when necessary. My reasoning was that while there is a correct and=
 a=20
<br>&gt; wrong way to place stress on lojban jufra, there are no minimal pa=
irs=20
<br>&gt; for stress: it never changes the meaning of anything. Is this corr=
ect?
<br>
<br>While it is true that there exist no pair of Lojban words distinguished=
=20
<br>only by a difference in stress position, stressed syllables play an=20
<br>essential role in segmenting a Lojban syllable stream into words :=20
<br>stress is one of Lojban&#39;s devices for determining word boundaries.
<br>
<br>Let&#39;s look at a couple examples:
<br>
<br>{SEpliseTAvla} is parsed as {sepli se tavla}, &quot;talked to separatel=
y&quot;.
<br>But:
<br>{sePLIseTAvla} is parsed as {se plise tavla}, &quot;talk of apple strai=
ns&quot;.
<br>
<br>{dinSAUru} is parsed as {dinsauru} (a single word).
<br>But:
<br>{DINsauru} is parsed as {dinsau ru}, which is the lujvo &quot;dinsau&qu=
ot;=20
<br>followed by the pronoun &quot;ru&quot;.
<br>
<br>Therefore you can effectively change the meaning of a sentence by=20
<br>shifting stress positions.
<br>
<br>=E2=80=94Ilmen.
<br>
<br>
<br></blockquote></div>

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