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Subject: Re: [lojban] translation of Ferdinand the Bull
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My thanks to mezohe for the thoughtful and helpful criticism.
I am still absorbing the points and hitting the books to figure out stuff I 
may have misunderstood before.
A couple of questions, though....

The suggestion "ba bo kuhi lo nu la fernandos cu desygau le stedu kei cu 
kanzeri tuha lo natfe i"
includes a word "kanzeri" that seems to be a stage 4 borrowed word, but I 
don't recognize the borrowing, and it's not in the online dictionary.
What does it mean?

In the suggestion "lo cmalu je nakni bakni poi ki foho vi xabju kuho" (and 
another place)
what is the intention behind adding "ki"?
Since I don't have any sticky tenses already set, there are none to cancel.
Is the "ki" just there for hygiene, just to clear the stage, so to speak?

mihe la bremenli pohu laho gy Vincent Broman gy


On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 3:21:08 PM UTC-8, mezohe wrote:
>
> 2017-01-24 17:56 vpbr...@gmail.com <javascript:>: 
> > I have translated into lojban an amusing children's story about 
> Ferdinand, 
> > the gentle Spanish bull. 
> > It is intended for intermediate language learners, with somewhat 
> simplified 
> > grammar and almost no compound words, 
> > though there are many phrase compounds. 
> > 
> > Before I make an audio recording, add pictures, etc, I wanted to beta 
> test 
> > a semi-final draft, 
> > hoping for comments and constructive criticism from kindly jbopre with 
> more 
> > experience than I have. 
> > The plain text below has English and lojban interleaved by lines, and 
> the 
> > viewer supports downloading the text. 
> > This text parses, at least. 
> > 
> > https://app.box.com/s/kwi7c4k81ljjvpg2jgn239frw3b17o4v 
> > 
>
> I've attached a diff with some notes and changes from a first pass 
> through it. This feels like one of those pre-CLL criticism threads that 
> selckiku likes to reminisce about! 
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">My thanks to mezohe for the thoughtful and helpful critici=
sm.<br>I am still absorbing the points and hitting the books to figure out =
stuff I may have misunderstood before.<br>A couple of questions, though....=
<br><br>The suggestion &quot;ba bo kuhi lo nu la fernandos cu desygau le st=
edu kei cu kanzeri tuha lo natfe i&quot;<br>includes a word &quot;kanzeri&q=
uot; that seems to be a stage 4 borrowed word, but I don&#39;t recognize th=
e borrowing, and it&#39;s not in the online dictionary.<br>What does it mea=
n?<br><br>In the suggestion &quot;lo cmalu je nakni bakni poi ki foho vi xa=
bju kuho&quot; (and another place)<br>what is the intention behind adding &=
quot;ki&quot;?<br>Since I don&#39;t have any sticky tenses already set, the=
re are none to cancel.<br>Is the &quot;ki&quot; just there for hygiene, jus=
t to clear the stage, so to speak?<br><br>mihe la bremenli pohu laho gy Vin=
cent Broman gy<br><br><br>On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 3:21:08 PM UTC-=
8, mezohe wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin=
-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">2017-01-24 17:=
56 <a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"puctG=
Y47BgAJ" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;javascript:&#39;;=
return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;">vp=
br...@gmail.com</a>:
<br>&gt; I have translated into lojban an amusing children&#39;s story abou=
t Ferdinand,
<br>&gt; the gentle Spanish bull.
<br>&gt; It is intended for intermediate language learners, with somewhat s=
implified
<br>&gt; grammar and almost no compound words,
<br>&gt; though there are many phrase compounds.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Before I make an audio recording, add pictures, etc, I wanted to b=
eta test
<br>&gt; a semi-final draft,
<br>&gt; hoping for comments and constructive criticism from kindly jbopre =
with more
<br>&gt; experience than I have.
<br>&gt; The plain text below has English and lojban interleaved by lines, =
and the
<br>&gt; viewer supports downloading the text.
<br>&gt; This text parses, at least.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"https://app.box.com/s/kwi7c4k81ljjvpg2jgn239frw3b17o4v"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https:/=
/www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Fkwi7c4k81ljjvpg2jg=
n239frw3b17o4v\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGTBVeml7k6aJoZcuVutU=
vk3x1oeQ&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.=
com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Fkwi7c4k81ljjvpg2jgn239frw3b17o=
4v\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGTBVeml7k6aJoZcuVutUvk3x1oeQ&#39=
;;return true;">https://app.box.com/s/<wbr>kwi7c4k81ljjvpg2jgn239frw3b17o<w=
br>4v</a>
<br>&gt;
<br>
<br>I&#39;ve attached a diff with some notes and changes from a first pass=
=20
<br>through it. This feels like one of those pre-CLL criticism threads that=
=20
<br>selckiku likes to reminisce about!
<br></blockquote></div>

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