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2017-02-03 21:55 vpbroman@gmail.com:
> My thanks to mezohe for the thoughtful and helpful criticism.
> I am still absorbing the points and hitting the books to figure out stuff I
> may have misunderstood before.
> A couple of questions, though....
>
> The suggestion "ba bo kuhi lo nu la fernandos cu desygau le stedu kei cu
> kanzeri tuha lo natfe i"
> includes a word "kanzeri" that seems to be a stage 4 borrowed word, but I
> don't recognize the borrowing, and it's not in the online dictionary.
> What does it mean?

{kanzeri} (roughly "x1 (event) suggests to x3 (observer) that x2 (event) 
is likely") is only defined in the Lojban-to-Lojban section [1]. It's a 
relatively new word and people have tried other spellings for the idea 
before this one took some hold, like {.indika} and {lanzeni}.

[1] http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/kanzeri

>
> In the suggestion "lo cmalu je nakni bakni poi ki foho vi xabju kuho" (and
> another place)
> what is the intention behind adding "ki"?
> Since I don't have any sticky tenses already set, there are none to cancel.
> Is the "ki" just there for hygiene, just to clear the stage, so to speak?

{ki} here sets the reference point [2] for {vi}, whose BPFK version [3] 
tags the distance of its enclosing event from this reference point, 
rather than being ambiguous as to what its argument means as in CLL.

[2] https://mw.lojban.org/lmw/BPFK_Section:_Tense#cmavo:_ki_.28KI.29
[3] https://mw.lojban.org/lmw/BPFK_Section:_Distance#cmavo:_vi_.28VA.29

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