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Subject: [lojban] Purely Lojbanic names of grammatical constructs.
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Some people wondered if Lojban had original Lojbanic names for constructs
that appear in its grammar.

The answer was 'No!'
Besides, many Lojbanists had to incorrectly use existing grammatical terms
since they were not fully formalized.
One example was {bridi}. The definition of this word has been recently
fixed to prevent ambiguities in its usage.
Another example is almost official documentation on xorlo that says that
"term" has no default quantifier. It'd be better to say that sumti-5 and
sumti-tail-1 have no default quantifiers, or put it another way the
corresponding slot in formal grammar is absent by default but can be
explicitly filled if needed.

So the solution was to use pseudo-English terms from this formal grammar:
https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/2/
They are hard to utter especially in Lojban (how would you Lojbanize the
word "paragraphs"?)

Since people asked about purely Lojban terms for Lojban grammar I quickly
made a list of lo fuhivla such that each corresponds to exactly one rule of
Lojban grammar.

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Gleki/ei_lo_gerna_cu_jetnu_lojbo (column
"geknomvla").

Obviously, this system is not ideal, I mildly offer you all to make new
systems.
But this system is nice in that it avoids issues like "What the word
{sumti} really means and how to use it?"
You can always look up these definitions by e.g. using la sutysisku:
https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/#sisku/sumtika

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 for constructs that appear in its grammar.<div><br></div><div>The answer w=
as &#39;No!&#39;</div><div>Besides, many Lojbanists had to incorrectly use =
existing grammatical terms since they were not fully formalized.</div><div>=
One example was {bridi}. The definition of this word has been recently fixe=
d to prevent ambiguities in its usage.</div><div>Another example is almost =
official documentation on xorlo that says that &quot;term&quot; has no defa=
ult quantifier. It&#39;d be better to say that sumti-5 and sumti-tail-1 hav=
e no default quantifiers, or put it another way the corresponding slot in f=
ormal grammar is absent by default but can be explicitly filled if needed.<=
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om this formal grammar:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/2/"=
>https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/2/</a></div><div>They are hard to utter es=
pecially in Lojban (how would you Lojbanize the word &quot;paragraphs&quot;=
?)</div><div><br></div><div>Since people asked about purely Lojban terms fo=
r Lojban grammar I quickly made a list of lo fuhivla such that each corresp=
onds to exactly one rule of Lojban grammar.</div><div><br></div><div><a hre=
f=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Gleki/ei_lo_gerna_cu_jetnu_lojbo">htt=
ps://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Gleki/ei_lo_gerna_cu_jetnu_lojbo</a> (column =
&quot;geknomvla&quot;).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Obviously, this system=
 is not ideal, I mildly offer you all to make new systems.</div><div>But th=
is system is nice in that it avoids issues like &quot;What the word {sumti}=
 really means and how to use it?&quot;</div><div>You can always look up the=
se definitions by e.g. using la sutysisku:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://la-lojba=
n.github.io/sutysisku/en/#sisku/sumtika">https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysi=
sku/en/#sisku/sumtika</a></div></div>

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