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Subject: [lojban] Sapir-Whorf hypothesis confirmed. Language does affect thought
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You know those remarks "If Einstein had spoken another language his theory 
of relativity would have been different".

Now some people have been using Lojban constructed language in order to 
free themselves from words and concepts created in previous epochs.
Have they been able to shatter the walls of historical languages?
It seems so now thanks to a recent scientific research.

Researchers from the University of Laguna Verde took logs of English chats, 
Lojban chats and chats in a few other languages and then used a 
sophisticated algorithm to compare how and in what context words are used 
together by turning them into mathematical vectors.
If all languages gravitate towards words with still same meanings all 
across the globe then it would mean that Language does not affect Thought.
But what has been discovered with Lojban community shows quite the opposite.

Not only words do not gravitate towards centers common for all languages 
but Lojban chats show exponential runaway over time from centers of 
meanings in other languages.

Lojbanists are really out of this world!
This is what they themselves are saying:
"Unlimited by the lexicon of our mother tongues we invent and use words we 
need.
We move to a truly creative expression of our feelings and our reasoning."
So can we peek into the world of the language allegedly free from social 
restraints?
Can we get understanding what they are discussing in their chats?
It's yes and no. 
Since words in this flexible language tend to deviate over time more and 
more from this-world languages it's getting harder and harder to find 
approximate translations of those words.
Nevertheless, starting from today the new Twitter account @Lojban_is_crazy 
<https://twitter.com/LojbanIsCrazy> will be posting new and previously 
unpublished Lojban words with their rough translations into English.

But here are some examples already:

zdebuzeku - a toxic breakfast
lebmeteno - a careful maneuver
dreguri - a structure over which navigational songs can be heard miles ahead
irvinagi - a soothsaying as the treatment of insincerity
emdoki - a dive for weed
vibdaito - a game with paper and jewelry
avnifiku - a wildflower in a buttonhole
orvanu - evanescent windborne smell
gonruve - a contestant who ends in an oven due to paranoia
uknura - a boat on one's back
pronokabu - a shade of flying birds
erlegina - a craftsman's shell found by bees
irtire - a community that is crazy at your corpse
zveizefi - a feeling of being visited
zibgora - a text printed on a cookie
gilkaume - a ceremonial pouch
lulrima - verbal clothes
unrugivo - a flap of a small envelope
dergale - a frivolous inhabitant
troidiki - a horse that protects women
afturu - a fine candy with pictures under a sexy lid
kinzemo - a programming tunic
skiroge - a road made by trampling
obzevi - a word performed on one's sister
momnoiso - a violent consequence of sleeping
erneta - a building that absorbs people
pruvuge - a long skirt that is used during the examination of food
zemvaido - a reply in the air
spatazo - a semitransparent vertebrate
dafpeka - a small victory-shaped part of fruits
tonraibipe - an intrusive sound of a ticket being torn
zboimuvu - a quickly worn garment currently in the state of not being worn
afpapo - a personal portable telescope


Well, well, enough. The Twitter account @Lojban_is_crazy 
<https://twitter.com/LojbanIsCrazy> is promised to be posting only a few 
words a day. Let's follow it.

[source <http://jbotcan.org/lojban/en/SWH_confirmed.html>] 

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You know those remarks &quot;If Einstein had spoken a=
nother language his theory of relativity would have been different&quot;.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Now some people have been using Lojban constructed =
language in order to free themselves from words and concepts created in pre=
vious epochs.</div><div>Have they been able to shatter the walls of histori=
cal languages?</div><div>It seems so now thanks to a recent scientific rese=
arch.</div><div><br></div><div>Researchers from the University of Laguna Ve=
rde took logs of English chats, Lojban chats and chats in a few other langu=
ages and then used a sophisticated algorithm to compare how and in what con=
text words are used together by turning them into mathematical vectors.</di=
v><div>If all languages gravitate towards words with still same meanings al=
l across the globe then it would mean that Language does not affect Thought=
.</div><div>But what has been discovered with Lojban community shows quite =
the opposite.</div><div><br></div><div>Not only words do not gravitate towa=
rds centers common for all languages but Lojban chats show exponential runa=
way over time from centers of meanings in other languages.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Lojbanists are really out of this world!</div><div>This is what th=
ey themselves are saying:</div><div>&quot;Unlimited by the lexicon of our m=
other tongues we invent and use words we need.</div><div>We move to a truly=
 creative expression of our feelings and our reasoning.&quot;</div><div>So =
can we peek into the world of the language allegedly free from social restr=
aints?</div><div>Can we get understanding what they are discussing in their=
 chats?</div><div>It&#39;s yes and no.=C2=A0</div><div>Since words in this =
flexible language tend to deviate over time more and more from this-world l=
anguages it&#39;s getting harder and harder to find approximate translation=
s of those words.</div><div>Nevertheless, starting from today the new Twitt=
er account <a href=3D"https://twitter.com/LojbanIsCrazy">@Lojban_is_crazy</=
a> will be posting new and previously unpublished Lojban words with their r=
ough translations into English.</div><div><br></div><div>But here are some =
examples already:</div><div><br></div><div>zdebuzeku - a toxic breakfast</d=
iv><div>lebmeteno - a careful maneuver</div><div>dreguri - a structure over=
 which navigational songs can be heard miles ahead</div><div>irvinagi - a s=
oothsaying as the treatment of insincerity</div><div>emdoki - a dive for we=
ed</div><div>vibdaito - a game with paper and jewelry</div><div>avnifiku - =
a wildflower in a buttonhole</div><div>orvanu - evanescent windborne smell<=
/div><div>gonruve - a contestant who ends in an oven due to paranoia</div><=
div>uknura - a boat on one&#39;s back</div><div>pronokabu - a shade of flyi=
ng birds</div><div>erlegina - a craftsman&#39;s shell found by bees</div><d=
iv>irtire - a community that is crazy at your corpse</div><div>zveizefi - a=
 feeling of being visited</div><div>zibgora - a text printed on a cookie</d=
iv><div>gilkaume - a ceremonial pouch</div><div>lulrima - verbal clothes</d=
iv><div>unrugivo - a flap of a small envelope</div><div>dergale - a frivolo=
us inhabitant</div><div>troidiki - a horse that protects women</div><div>af=
turu - a fine candy with pictures under a sexy lid</div><div>kinzemo - a pr=
ogramming tunic</div><div>skiroge - a road made by trampling</div><div>obze=
vi - a word performed on one&#39;s sister</div><div>momnoiso - a violent co=
nsequence of sleeping</div><div>erneta - a building that absorbs people</di=
v><div>pruvuge - a long skirt that is used during the examination of food</=
div><div>zemvaido - a reply in the air</div><div>spatazo - a semitransparen=
t vertebrate</div><div>dafpeka - a small victory-shaped part of fruits</div=
><div>tonraibipe - an intrusive sound of a ticket being torn</div><div>zboi=
muvu - a quickly worn garment currently in the state of not being worn</div=
><div>afpapo - a personal portable telescope</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Well, well, enough. The Twitter account <a href=3D"https://twitte=
r.com/LojbanIsCrazy">@Lojban_is_crazy</a> is promised to be posting only a =
few words a day. Let&#39;s follow it.</div><div><br></div><div>[<a href=3D"=
http://jbotcan.org/lojban/en/SWH_confirmed.html">source</a>]=C2=A0</div></d=
iv>

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