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[2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t131si493374wmf.1.2017.04.01.15.00.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Apr 2017 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b; Received: by mail-wr0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id w43so126331150wrb.0 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.155.200 with SMTP id e8mr8213007wrc.74.1491084047354; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.216.84 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8fd501e7-7523-4700-8ea9-d5eb87eedfad@googlegroups.com> References: <8fd501e7-7523-4700-8ea9-d5eb87eedfad@googlegroups.com> From: Alex Kozhevnikov Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 22:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Sapir-Whorf hypothesis confirmed. Language does affect thought To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: alexkoz@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=alexkoz@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Links to the original research? Or name of the paper or article/journal it's published in? Also, I must admit, many of those words seem extremely situational to me: not useful for long-term retention. Which isn't to say they don't have value, or that this isn't a useful aspect of Lojban: it very much is. The ability to compose them on-the-fly provides much-needed shorthand for prolonged conversations about those concepts, and reduces the "entry cost" of bringing a new mind into conversations about the topic at hand. My only concern is that the average person coming across these terms who isn't already keen on Lojban will only think something along the lines of the first sentence of this paragraph, and come away with an impression that the language is mostly good for constructing toy words, without the deeper consideration needed to realize that it's just good at constructing words for expressing the concepts you want to discuss at the time. To be clear, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on the idea of this twitter account or the selection of words. Just something I think is worth considering. I would appreciate a collection of specifically those words which are very useful towards expressing cognition flows and ideas/experiences that aren't trivial to express with more words in English: for example, I personally perceive more deep value in "dreguri", "zveizefi", and "irtire" than, for example, "spatazo", "unrugivo", or "afpapo" (all have value, but the former more strongly suggest the cognition-liberating potential of Lobjan to my mind than the latter). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.