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From: Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:59:18 +0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo with non-existing rafsi
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I would react the same way. However, reading the description on jbovlaste
it's clear that this has been done on purpose to recreate the same effect
of "DiagonAlley" in English.

I would say that using a non-allocated rafsi should be discouraged as much
as possible.

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:30 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

> My first thought on seeing a non-allocated rafsi is that it's a typo for
> something else. Have you considered that possibility?
>
> stevo
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After a couple of years I exported the jbovlaste content and downloaded
>> in a spreadsheet which, for me, are much easier to use as a vocabulary.
>>
>> Among the new (for me) words there is: dignocklaji (
>> http://vlasisku.alexburka.com/dignocklaji)
>>
>> Personally I would have used a cmevla or a fu'ivla for "Diagonalley" but
>> that's not a problem.
>>
>> The doubt I have is to use the unallocated rafsi {noc} to create a word
>> is it permitted?
>>
>> I thought that the idea behind lujvo was to be able to guess the meaning
>> of the word by looking at the gismu the rafsi were assigned to.
>>
>> Is this no longer the case? (or maybe it was never the case and using
>> not-assigned rafsi was always allowed).
>>
>> mu'e mi'e la remod.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I would react the same way. However, reading the desc=
ription on jbovlaste it&#39;s clear that this has been done on purpose to r=
ecreate the same effect of &quot;DiagonAlley&quot; in English.<br><br></div=
>I would say that using a non-allocated rafsi should be discouraged as much=
 as possible.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:30 AM, MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">My f=
irst thought on seeing a non-allocated rafsi is that it&#39;s a typo for so=
mething else. Have you considered that possibility?=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stev=
o</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
><div class=3D"h5">On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Remo Dentato <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdenta=
to@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Afte=
r a couple of years I exported the jbovlaste content and downloaded in a sp=
readsheet which, for me, are much easier to use as a vocabulary.<br><br></d=
iv>Among the new (for me) words there is: dignocklaji (<a href=3D"http://vl=
asisku.alexburka.com/dignocklaji" target=3D"_blank">http://vlasisku.alexbur=
ka.com<wbr>/dignocklaji</a>)<br><br></div>Personally I would have used a cm=
evla or a fu&#39;ivla for &quot;Diagonalley&quot; but that&#39;s not a prob=
lem.<br><br></div>The doubt I have is to use the unallocated rafsi {noc} to=
 create a word is it permitted? <br><br></div>I thought that the idea behin=
d lujvo was to be able to guess the meaning of the word by looking at the g=
ismu the rafsi were assigned to.<br><br>Is this no longer the case? (or may=
be it was never the case and using not-assigned rafsi was always allowed).<=
br><br></div>mu&#39;e mi&#39;e la remod.<span class=3D"m_-86948663712831046=
09HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div></div></div><span=
 class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><span class=3D"m_-869486637128310=
4609HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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